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Spoonie 07-10-2005 11:37 AM

"The Non-Existence of God" by Nicholas Everitt. Great piece of philosophical writing.

tenk_immortals 07-14-2005 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=NAV man]Catch-22, Joseph Heller, WW-2

I'm serious, that's where I get my inspiration from.[/QUOTE]

It's an amazing book. But, all these books should be required reading for everyone.

TheIlluminatedOne 07-19-2005 04:51 PM

Mystery of the Ages by Herbert W. Armstrong

Squisher 07-23-2005 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=vect0rburn]lord of the flies - william golding - a graphical depiction of human nature in a blank society[/QUOTE]

More like an analysis of the creation of a power vacuum since most people agree that these kids were not true blank slates. They grew up in the regimented, authoritarian world of civilization


[I]Everything for Sale[/I] by Robert Kuttner - Kuttner uses data and analysis to show that mixed markets are generally superior to unregulated ones.
[I]How the Mind Works[/I] by Stephen Pinker - Pinker describes the "computational theory of the mind" and the evolutionary explanations for human behavior.
[I]Wealth and Democracy[/I] by Kevin Phillips - Philips traces the fates of America's richest families from the time of the revolution to the present. He also explores the great sources of american wealth inequality.

ieyeasu 07-23-2005 01:47 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Dreadnought : The Coming of the Great War[/QUOTE]
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BelgianSandwich 08-04-2005 10:30 PM

I've been having trouble in finding Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Its not in my public library's database or the university's database.

Can someone help me out?

Colonel Mustard 08-10-2005 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=ManSandwichMayo]I've been having trouble in finding Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Its not in my public library's database or the university's database.

Can someone help me out?[/QUOTE]

most (shorter) philosophical primary texts are widely available online.

[url]http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html[/url]

if you want to delve a little bit deeper into marx, it would probably be a good idea to find a copy of the marx-engels reader or a similiar compilation of works.

Spoonie 08-11-2005 06:10 AM

[QUOTE=ManSandwichMayo]I've been having trouble in finding Marx's Communist Manifesto.

Its not in my public library's database or the university's database.

Can someone help me out?[/QUOTE]

waffles

Are you kidding? Seems like "Communist Manifesto" has been banned from your university and your local library. Brilliant.

Spoonie 08-11-2005 06:13 AM

[QUOTE=Colonel Mustard]if you want to delve a little bit deeper into marx, it would probably be a good idea to find a copy of the marx-engels reader or a similiar compilation of works.[/QUOTE]

Incidentally, Engels is a vastly better writer than Marx. So you might want to read: [i]The Condition of the Working Class in England[/i] and [i]Socialism: Utopian and Scientific[/i].

A good "Cliff Notes" is Terrell Carver's [i]Engels[/i], published by Oxford University Press.

Mulan 08-15-2005 01:54 AM

[QUOTE=ScretHate]Why would you waste your time reading those Ayn Rand books? Just read the communist manifesto and invert it. Ayn Rand is for asocial, underdeveloped, teenagers.[/QUOTE]

Ah randroids. God I hate those kids.

Nano, even though Romance (or "Epic" since it is a more apt description) of the Three Kingdoms is a great book, it is by NO means a great historical record of ancient Chinese history. It's a convoluted and contrived account of historical events and downplays the actual moral turpitude of the characters.

Regardless, :heart: Guan gong/di (Guan yi). We have a big bronze figure of him in our house and I want to learn to use the guan dow (that kickass weapon he carries) one day.

Spoonie 08-15-2005 02:05 AM

[QUOTE=Mulan]Nano, even though Romance (or "Epic" since it is a more apt description) of the Three Kingdoms is a great book, it is by NO means a great historical record of ancient Chinese history. It's a convoluted and contrived and downplays the actual moral turpitude of the characters.[/quote]

It doesn't "downplay" the "moral turpitude" of the characters. You just need to open your eyes and use your brain. Anyone who isn't a twelve year old is going to be able to work out that Liu Bei was not "the good guy". In fact, Lo Kuanchung probably [i]deliberately[/i] wrote the book in such a "contrived", unsubtle and morally binary way to tease/confuse the readers (or to get past censors).

[QUOTE=Mulan]Regardless, :heart: Guan gong/di (Guan yi). We have a big bronze figure of him in our house and I want to learn to use the guan dow (that kickass weapon he carries) one day.[/QUOTE]

You then go on to say that you have a figure of Guan Yu (it's "Guan Yu", not "Guan Yi"). Why? He was not particularly "moral" or "heroic". It is always fascinating to see how deification is based on ignorance, and then tradition perpetuates it.

Nano 08-15-2005 06:10 AM

[QUOTE=Spoonie]It doesn't "downplay" the "moral turpitude" of the characters. You just need to open your eyes and use your brain. Anyone who isn't a twelve year old is going to be able to work out that Liu Bei was not "the good guy". In fact, Lo Kuanchung probably [i]deliberately[/i] wrote the book in such a "contrived", unsubtle and morally binary way to tease/confuse the readers (or to get past censors).[/quote]

Yea, it's definitely a shu-ified book, and is to be taken as an editorial more than history, but its historically based.


[quote]
You then go on to say that you have a figure of Guan Yu (it's "Guan Yu", not "Guan Yi"). Why? He was not particularly "moral" or "heroic". It is always fascinating to see how deification is based on ignorance, and then tradition perpetuates it.[/QUOTE]

He's revered there as the god of war, whatchu expect? :P

Good old lord lovely beard.

Nano 08-15-2005 06:15 AM

[QUOTE=Mulan]Nano, even though Romance (or "Epic" since it is a more apt description) of the Three Kingdoms is a great book, it is by NO means a great historical record of ancient Chinese history. It's a convoluted and contrived account of historical events and downplays the actual moral turpitude of the characters.[/quote]

Yea, I know. Thats why I used representation, since its more of an editorial. I still adore the story. :)

[quote]
Regardless, :heart: Guan gong/di (Guan yi). We have a big bronze figure of him in our house and I want to learn to use the guan dow (that kickass weapon he carries) one day.[/QUOTE]

Yknow..if the sun clan hadn't killed him... I daresay china may have had a different history. And if Zhao Yun hadn't saved his idiot son.

Spoonie 08-15-2005 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=Nano]Yknow..if the sun clan hadn't killed him... I daresay china may have had a different history. And if Zhao Yun hadn't saved his idiot son.[/QUOTE]

There would be interesting "counterfactual history". What if Guan Yu didn't get pwned? Probably wouldn't matter much because Liu's young son was to get the throne and he would still be utterly useless regardless of Guan's presence. Any alliance with the Wu to counter the Chao's might be difficult to form. In the end, Shu would probably be isolated as ever, and with their best generals getting old (Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun, Huang Zhong) and the new ones really rather shitty (Ma Xu, for example), Zhuge Lian would still be fighting a losing battle, overrun by the massive Chao's troops.


Interesting bit from Wikipedia, BTW
[quote]Luo Guanzhong's re-telling of this story also give us a window into the politics of his time. The contemporary Ming Emperor Wanli had officially elevated Guan Yu to the position of a god, Lord Guan, to emphasize Guan Yu's characteristics of bravery and extreme fidelity (characteristics the emperor no doubt wanted to promote in his subjects). Luo Guanzhong, however, gives us a more subtle Guan Yu who dies a shattered idol, deserving pity because of his overconfidence. This dissonance was overlooked in traditional commentaries on the text but recent research finds in Luo Guanzhong's Guan Yu a fascinating reflection of Chinese culture under Ming rule, the author complying with the program of imperial propaganda while also subtly subverting it.[/quote]

Nano 08-15-2005 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=Spoonie]There would be interesting "counterfactual history". What if Guan Yu didn't get pwned? Probably wouldn't matter much because Liu's young son was to get the throne and he would still be utterly useless regardless of Guan's presence. Any alliance with the Wu to counter the Chao's might be difficult to form. In the end, Shu would probably be isolated as ever, and with their best generals getting old (Zhang Fei, Zhao Yun, Huang Zhong) and the new ones really rather shitty (Ma Xu, for example), Zhuge Lian would still be fighting a losing battle, overrun by the massive Chao's troops.


Interesting bit from Wikipedia, BTW[/QUOTE]

Yea, Guan Yu underestimated pang de, lu meng and lu xun. all three strong generals. Oh.. and do you mean Cao?


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