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curdledvomit 03-08-2010 05:44 AM

Serious question
 
So I posed this to some people and have yet to get any real answers...

[B]so if there are 14.9 million unemployed people in the USA and we out source 15k jobs a week...estimated to have 3.3 million by 2015, that means we will have out sourced 22% of jobs by then. What if we did not out source those jobs? What would our unemployment rate be?[/B]



discuss and plz give an opinion. thx info :)

Coqui 03-08-2010 08:55 AM

Would be higher because executives couldn't use that excess money to pad their wallets, this they'd feel they need to close their business causing more people to be unemployed.

Outsourcing is a purely financial decision to cut costs by replacing American workers with somewhat equally skilled employees for a substantially less amount of money

Frenetic 03-08-2010 05:41 PM

I don't think letting people keep inefficient jobs is the solution to fixing unemployment.

curdledvomit 03-08-2010 05:48 PM

It is an interesting topic. On one hand you are a capitalist and want to make money so you out source to make more money. On the other hand how much money do you have to make before its called greed?

s0me0nesmind1 03-08-2010 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=curdledvomit;24231844]So I posed this to some people and have yet to get any real answers...

[B]so if there are 14.9 million unemployed people in the USA and we out source 15k jobs a week...estimated to have 3.3 million by 2015, that means we will have out sourced 22% of jobs by then. What if we did not out source those jobs? What would our unemployment rate be?[/B]



discuss and plz give an opinion. thx info :)[/QUOTE]


1) Companies are [b]obligated[/b] to outsource because it is what their stockholders (aka: owners) want - which to put it simply - is to save as much money as possible.

2) Like Coqui said - if they didn't pad their wallets, they wouldn't live likely they wouldn't be able to compete with their competitors, or have the money to pay their current employees.

Jason 03-08-2010 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=curdledvomit;24232896]It is an interesting topic. On one hand you are a capitalist and want to make money so you out source to make more money. On the other hand how much money do you have to make before its called greed?[/QUOTE]

Greed is good.
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curdledvomit 03-08-2010 07:47 PM

[QUOTE=s0me0nesmind1;24232998]1) Companies are [B]obligated[/B] to outsource because it is what their stockholders (aka: owners) want - which to put it simply - is to save as much money as possible.

2) Like Coqui said - if they didn't pad their wallets, they wouldn't live likely they wouldn't be able to compete with their competitors, or have the money to pay their current employees.[/QUOTE]

Not all companies have stock holders...just some incite.

Frenetic 03-08-2010 08:15 PM

It's not just a "greedy CEO" argument. We live in a first world country, and even people in the poverty line have certain expectations of living that people in Taiwan would kill for. We have minimum wage laws, unions, and a bunch of other protections that make the American workforce what it is. These aren't bad things, but they also make it silly for certain blue collar jobs to exist in large force in America. Eventually, it only makes sense for work to be outsourced, or more likely, to have a machine make your car or ring up your groceries.

Let's also not forget that the consumer encourages these practices as well, as they will more often than not forgo buying American if it means buying an item or service of similar value for $2 less. Hell, why would anyone NOT do that, except for sentimental reasons that create an artificial economy? And hell, more often than not, we buy things from overseas because they are just done BETTER, like when Japanese car makers stepped up their game 20 years ago.

Coqui 03-09-2010 05:20 AM

[QUOTE=curdledvomit;24233136]Not all companies have stock holders...just some incite.[/QUOTE]

Was that a veiled pun?

And usually privately owned companies don't outsource anyways.

Zangmonkey 03-09-2010 08:13 AM

I think outsourcing is beneficial if we focus on expanding skilled jobs and other tasks not easily outsourced.

Americans benefit from being able to buy standard products like t-shirts at low prices because they are made in chingchongland.
However, it is not feasible to outsource many jobs like distribution networks, services or skilled labor.

For example, an auto mechanic in this country can pretty easily make $100k a year.

curdledvomit 03-09-2010 08:24 AM

[QUOTE=Zangmonkey;24233996]I think outsourcing is beneficial if we focus on expanding skilled jobs and other tasks not easily outsourced.

Americans benefit from being able to buy standard products like t-shirts at low prices because they are made in chingchongland.
However, it is not feasible to outsource many jobs like distribution networks, services or skilled labor.

For example, an auto mechanic in this country can pretty easily make $100k a year.[/QUOTE]

so true...b4 I got sick I turned wrenches for 25 years...i made 100k some of those years.

Great comments here.

I think out sourcing is a must but in a way there are going to be people who just get in line and don't even try and get another job Also I think we as Americans dont make much any more. Our exports are basicaly nill and all we have as an "economy" is based on services. I guess it is all relative to the age of the generations? I mean the young worker is more apt to start off with a lower paying job that is making something. I don't know but it seems we are kind of headed a little too far to the left for me.

Iceland is defaulting, followed by Greece amd its a huge dominoe affect that will end up here IMHO. Who knows, but maybe they will run to the dollar when the Euro starts tanking but who knows what that will really do.

Sorry I am kind of all over the place on this thread...blame it on the roids!

Coqui 03-09-2010 09:33 AM

[QUOTE=Zangmonkey;24233996]I think outsourcing is beneficial if we focus on expanding skilled jobs and other tasks not easily outsourced.

Americans benefit from being able to buy standard products like t-shirts at low prices because they are made in chingchongland.
However, it is not feasible to outsource many jobs like distribution networks, services or skilled labor.

For example, an auto mechanic in this country can pretty easily make $100k a year.[/QUOTE]

All good can be outsourced. Most (not all) services can be outsourced as well.

IT is living proof of that.

Aldaris 03-09-2010 09:50 AM

[QUOTE=Zangmonkey;24233996]I think outsourcing is beneficial if we focus on expanding skilled jobs and other tasks not easily outsourced.
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Zangmonkey 03-09-2010 01:54 PM

[QUOTE=Coqui;24234058]All good can be outsourced. Most (not all) services can be outsourced as well.

IT is living proof of that.[/QUOTE]

of course, but many skilled workers want to live in areas with good standards of living like the US.

It's not a coincidence that Silicon Valley sprung up next to Stanford.

Zangmonkey 03-09-2010 01:57 PM

[QUOTE=Aldaris;24234081][size=6]BUT


WE


DON'T[/size][/QUOTE]

This is the problem though. We focus on the loss of jobs rather than the creation of opportunity because it's easier for politicians (aka us) to fight outsourcing than defeat it.

Take cars for example. Instead of hating on robotic car manufacturing we could enjoy cheaper vehicles and respec to something more useful like modern society.

The software on a CD is more valuable than the CD itself.


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