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mike27 05-13-2004 06:36 PM

Berg execution was a FAKE - for the love of god read this
 
[b]First of all, I know this is largely Pit material, but I feel that news of this caliber deserves the increased exposure of the main forum. Please keep replies intelligent, honest, topical, and free of slander against me. Debate the topic, not the person who brought it up.[/b]

[b]Sources for all my facts can be found at the bottom, they are labeled according to subject.[/b]

That having been said...

Many of you might remember that I started a thread on the day the video was released noting how "convenient" it was that the tape had come out, just as the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal was in full swing. Not only did this take the abuse scandal off of headlines, but it swayed public opinion back against "those fucking Iraqis".

[b]Evidence[/b]

1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?

2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?
[IMG]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-05/08/xinsrc_400501100951469170513.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/ressources/images/normales/n/ni/040511nick-berg-video_n.jpg[/IMG]

*cough*

3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?

4) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)?

5) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth?

6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? [url]http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm[/url] I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?

7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?

8) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.

[b]9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...[/b]
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

edit:
Two more points:

10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm?

11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT?

edit 2:

12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?

13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands.

14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell?

[b]Conclusion[/b]
As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion.

Again, before you attack my conclusion, attack my evidence. No matter how crazy you think this sounds, examine the evidence objectively and please try to deny a single thing I have said. If you cannot deny my evidence, you logically cannot deny my conclusion. [b]Make your replies free of subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks or I will not reply to them.[/b]


[b]Sources:[/b]

[b]Chair, wall, timecode, and :[/b]
[url]http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1469025&t=-1#Post1469025[/url]
[url]http://www.news24houston.com/content/headlines/?ArID=28906&SecID=2[/url]

[b]Berg was in US custody:[/b]
[url]http://www.c[i][/i]nn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/index.html[/url]
(you'll have to copy & paste this one since genmay blocks cnn links as you know)

[b]Gold rings forbidden by Islam:[/b]
[url]http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=9529&TagID=2[/url]
[url]http://www.google.com/search?q=gold+ring+forbidden+by+islam&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8[/url]

The [b]execution video[/b] can be seen here (warning, extremely graphic): [url]http://temp.eyecannon.com/iraq2vediom.wmv[/url]


PS: In other news, the video that the US used to incriminate Bin Laden in masterminding the 9/11 attacks was a fake. [url]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html[/url] Judge for yourself. I will be doing another post on this once I gather more information. Once you have made up your mind, please ask yourself why the government would want to fake Bin Laden's guilt, which apparently justified the entire Afghanistan war (where an oil pipeline is now being built, which the Taliban had refused to allow).

slightlymad 05-13-2004 06:37 PM

hmmm

edit: wow that video is FUCKED UP, never seen it before

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 06:37 PM

omg ufos in mexico?

Claus 05-13-2004 06:39 PM

You know, I actually read that.

TheIlluminatedOne 05-13-2004 06:39 PM

teal deer

1110 05-13-2004 06:39 PM

[QUOTE=mike27][b]First of all, I know this is largely Pit material, but I feel that news of this caliber deserves the increased exposure of the main forum. Please keep replies intelligent, honest, topical, and free of slander against me. Debate the topic, not the person who brought it up.[/b][/QUOTE]
LOL PIGSEX

Sugar[H]igh3 05-13-2004 06:40 PM

Die.
Learn some respect for the dead.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=Claus]You know, I actually read that.[/QUOTE]

And, in the absence of a rebuttal, I take it you agree?

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=1110]LOL PIGSEX[/QUOTE]

:lol:




for real though.. this is some interesting shit.

mr viagra 05-13-2004 06:41 PM

this will end well

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 06:42 PM

jesus christ mike you gonna post all your pit stuff in genmay since you got that royal owning in the pit?

Whatsisname 05-13-2004 06:42 PM

strange

Shorik 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

ok, didnt he fucking talk before he got his head cut off? I didnt watch the video, but I have heard that he says stuff like where hes from, who his parents are. HOW DID HE FUCKING TALK IF HE WAS ALREADY DEAD????

r0ss 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

interesting to say the least
if you're wrong, then you're a jackass
if you're right, then the people who faked this are horrible

Pigs 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

needs more conspiracy

BBnet3000 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

the moon landing was a fake

mike27 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

Again, I will re-iterate what I said in my initial post - subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks WILL NOT BE REPLIED TO.

FelixDIB 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

interesting....

Allnighte 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

[IMG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/mega-rolleyes.jpg[/IMG]

Allnighte 05-13-2004 06:43 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Again, I will re-iterate what I said in my initial post - subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks WILL NOT BE REPLIED TO.[/QUOTE]
bwuahhaha

let's see if you can stick to your own rules too

Briggsy 05-13-2004 06:44 PM

Tell it to a newspaper or something, not genmay.

drewxhawaii 05-13-2004 06:44 PM

interesting...

barn animal 05-13-2004 06:44 PM

I knew it !

edit: seriously, I agreed with you the first time.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=Shorik]ok, didnt he fucking talk before he got his head cut off? I didnt watch the video, but I have heard that he says stuff like where hes from, who his parents are. HOW DID HE FUCKING TALK IF HE WAS ALREADY DEAD????[/QUOTE]

He talked, the timecode jumps, and then he is sitting still in the chair. The killers grab him, throw him to the ground, and begin decapitating him. I'm afraid you are simply furthering my point.

valve1138 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

so the whole thing was a non sexual snuff film?

Shorik 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Again, I will re-iterate what I said in my initial post - subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks WILL NOT BE REPLIED TO.[/QUOTE]


HOW DID HE FUCKING TALK IF HE WAS ALREADY FUCKING DEAD

1110 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Again, I will re-iterate what I said in my initial post - subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks WILL NOT BE REPLIED TO.[/QUOTE]
FROGSEX? SICK

Mr_Mike 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

Needs moar MLA format and title page.

....But good job, this is huge if it was faked.

Forrest 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=Claus]You know, I actually read that.[/QUOTE]

mike27 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=Shorik]HOW DID HE FUCKING TALK IF HE WAS ALREADY FUCKING DEAD[/QUOTE]

Please read the thread before restating a question you have already asked.

TheIlluminatedOne 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

[QUOTE=JoJoFine]jesus christ mike you gonna post all your pit stuff in genmay since you got that royal owning in the pit?[/QUOTE]

link?

Samhaine 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?


Islam also forbids killing....I guess bombing and flying planes into buildings isnt killing huh?

RedManThatCould 05-13-2004 06:45 PM

tl;sm

Maniac 05-13-2004 06:46 PM

wow.... im a belevier

Vienge 05-13-2004 06:46 PM

I would like to add my own evidence to this thread.



































[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]

Trujew 05-13-2004 06:46 PM

Everything that goes to further the american cause is fake. The UFO's control us all Allnighte










Edit: dead americans are funny - fake or not.

Wayne8 05-13-2004 06:46 PM

interesting read

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 06:46 PM

so is Berg really dead? whos head got chopped off?

mr viagra 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=Truffle Shuffle]I would like to add my own evidence to this thread.



































[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]video name please? :drool:

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

Good thing idiots like you don't work for the government


They found his body with his head cut off on a fucking bridge.. Screw the conspiracy theory bullshit..

Squid 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

there are more holes in that post than all the golf courses in scotland.

raj000777 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

I don't find his accent Russian-arabic sorry and i've lived in Kuwait for 12 freaking years. ( although not an arab )

click46 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=Claus]You know, I actually read that.[/QUOTE]

Allnighte 05-13-2004 06:47 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?


Islam also forbids killing....I guess bombing and flying planes into buildings isnt killing huh?[/QUOTE]
not to mention the 9/11 hijackers visiting strip clubs during their stay in the US.

click46 05-13-2004 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Good thing idiots like you don't work for the government


They found his body with his head cut off on a fucking bridge.. Screw the conspiracy theory bullshit..[/QUOTE]

nice rebuttal there ace
never trust your government
ever

mike27 05-13-2004 06:48 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?


Islam also forbids killing....I guess bombing and flying planes into buildings isnt killing huh?[/QUOTE]

I knew this would be brought up - please read the sources I have posted and you will see why this is a non-issue. Also, the Quran does indeed allow killing if it is "just" and furthers the interests of Islam (see The Pit for more info, plenty of threads about this). Wearing gold rings is blatantly and completely disallowed with no exceptions.

Punk1n 05-13-2004 06:48 PM

Very interesting...

ded 05-13-2004 06:48 PM

violence is also prohibited by islam, whats your point?

matthew 05-13-2004 06:49 PM

Well he was buried today.

Squid 05-13-2004 06:49 PM

Please scan the page in the koran that forbids the wearing of gold rings, the google link you posted seems to refute your statement.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=Dildo Parade]so is Berg really dead? whos head got chopped off?[/QUOTE]

Yes, he is dead. They told him to talk (you will notice by his calm demeanor that he clearly did not know he was going to be killed), then cut the tape. They killed him by some other method, propped him into the chair, rolled the tape, and began the decapitation.

click46 05-13-2004 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]
Islam also forbids killing....I guess bombing and flying planes into buildings isnt killing huh?[/QUOTE]

radical millitant islam does not forbid killing. hence the millitant part, buddy.

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 06:49 PM

[QUOTE=TheIlluminatedOne]link?[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.genmay.net/showthread.php?t=348558[/url]

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

When did we become libertyforum and WRH ?

raj000777 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=Squid]Please scan the page in the koran that forbids the wearing of gold rings, the google link you posted seems to refute your statement.[/QUOTE]
It is true, they're forbidden to wear jewelry.

Jim Morrison 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

So all you have to back up your claims is a similiar looking chair and prison outfit? I dont see how the skipping in the tape suggests that it was faked, its most likely the terrorists did that themselves for whatever reason. As for the Russian accents its entirely possible that a number of the men are foreign fighters from chechnya or some other Russian dominated muslim province, which might also explain their differing customs concerning the wearing of gold rings.

And in case you havent noticed, the middle east is practically humming with terrorist activity, of course the video is most likely to be released during the climax of anti-american feeling sweeping over the ME.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=Squid]there are more holes in that post than all the golf courses in scotland.[/QUOTE]

Please post them, this is exactly the type of drivel this thread does not need.

chadwhack 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

that video is distirbing

Samhaine 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=Allnighte]not to mention the 9/11 hijackers visiting strip clubs during their stay in the US.[/QUOTE]
Would you believe the bastards didnt wanna pay for a BJ?They bargained with a hooker and she said no...I mean for gods sake your gonna die the next day.....just pay for the shit...Damn muslims :mad:

SKYY 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

"for the love of god?"

please...most of us don't believe in a god :lol:

Ries 05-13-2004 06:50 PM

[QUOTE=Truffle Shuffle]I would like to add my own evidence to this thread.


[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.iupload.net/042004/girlcrazy3.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]



THIS MAN 4 PRESIDENT!

Arátoeldar 05-13-2004 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=Squid]there are more holes in that post than all the golf courses in scotland.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Squeeky 05-13-2004 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=Redmanthatcould]tl;sm[/QUOTE]

++

Squid 05-13-2004 06:51 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]I knew this would be brought up - please read the sources I have posted and you will see why this is a non-issue. Also, the Quran does indeed allow killing if it is "just" and furthers the interests of Islam (see The Pit for more info, plenty of threads about this). Wearing gold rings is blatantly and completely disallowed with no exceptions.[/QUOTE]


from your google link-

[url]http://www.tijaniyya.com/gold.htm[/url]

[quote]DOES ISLAM PROHIBIT WEARING OF GOLD AND SILK, AND GOLD AND SILVER UTENSILS?

For years, I have scrupulously followed claimed prohibitions on wearing of gold and silk by men,

believing these to be orders from Allah - equivalent in weight to the prohibitions on consuming liquor and eating pork that actually APPEAR in the Quran!

I now have concluded I was wrong!

There is NOT A WORD IN THE QURAN which prohibits anyone (male or female) from wearing gold or silk, or using gold or silver utensils.[/quote]

:tard:

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=chadwhack]that video is distirbing[/QUOTE]

so is your spelling :cool:

mike27 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=Allnighte]not to mention the 9/11 hijackers visiting strip clubs during their stay in the US.[/QUOTE]

That "evidence" is irrelevant here, as I contend that the 9/11 hijackings were a work of the government. The "evidence" you have posted supports my theory more than it detracts it. Again, I ask you to read the quick blurb about Bin Laden at the end of my post. Please do not expand on it in this thread, however, as I do not want a split focus.

quietchaos 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

as far fetched of a theory it is, you present a good case

Squid 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]That "evidence" is irrelevant here, as I contend that the 9/11 hijackings were a work of the government. The "evidence" you have posted supports my theory more than it detracts it. Again, I ask you to read the quick blurb about Bin Laden at the end of my post. Please do not expand on it in this thread, however, as I do not want a split focus.[/QUOTE]


my focus is how full of shit you are.

chadwhack 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

so yer sayingg he was dead before they cut his head off?

he shifts around while hes sitting on the floor

wr3kt 05-13-2004 06:52 PM

Ok...I'm still not watching that godamn video.

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:53 PM

[size=5][b]Will someone take away mike27's threadmaking priviledge away.. I'm not debating this shit when it came from another forum.. If you want to debate.. go to that fucking forum..[/b][/size]

Pigs 05-13-2004 06:53 PM

next you'll be saying nostradamus predicted it

Samhaine 05-13-2004 06:53 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]I knew this would be brought up - please read the sources I have posted and you will see why this is a non-issue. Also, the Quran does indeed allow killing if it is "just" and furthers the interests of Islam (see The Pit for more info, plenty of threads about this). Wearing gold rings is blatantly and completely disallowed with no exceptions.[/QUOTE]
What about going to a strip club and paying for a bJ? :)

FelixDIB 05-13-2004 06:53 PM

so you think the US did this?

chadwhack 05-13-2004 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Will someone take away mike27's threadmaking priviledge away.. I'm not debating this shit when it came from another forum.. If you want to debate.. go to that fucking forum..[/QUOTE]
actually someone needs to take away yours first

Allnighte 05-13-2004 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]That "evidence" is irrelevant here, as I contend that the 9/11 hijackings were a work of the government. The "evidence" you have posted supports my theory more than it detracts it. Again, I ask you to read the quick blurb about Bin Laden at the end of my post. Please do not expand on it in this thread, however, as I do not want a split focus.[/QUOTE]
oh of course

well i think you're just a work of the canadian government. and i don't want to split focus. therefore this thread is pointless

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=FelixDIB]so you think the US did this?[/QUOTE]

probably to distract attention from the iraqi prisoners torturing

Vienge 05-13-2004 06:54 PM

I think we can all agree on one thing.

That army bitch has big tatas but paperbag face.

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=chadwhack]actually someone needs to take away yours first[/QUOTE]
I don't post conspiracy bullshit here.

TheIlluminatedOne 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=SKYY]"for the love of god?"

please...most of us don't believe in a god :lol:[/QUOTE]

mike27 doesn't even believe in god so i don't know why he would put that in the title :lol:

mike27 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison]So all you have to back up your claims is a similiar looking chair and prison outfit? I dont see how the skipping in the tape suggests that it was faked, its most likely the terrorists did that themselves for whatever reason. As for the Russian accents its entirely possible that a number of the men are foreign fighters from chechnya or some other Russian dominated muslim province, which might also explain their differing customs concerning the wearing of gold rings.

And in case you havent noticed, the middle east is practically humming with terrorist activity, of course the video is most likely to be released during the climax of anti-american feeling sweeping over the ME.[/QUOTE]

1) No, if you notice, I made 9 points, not 2. Please do not make absurd remarks such as this.
2) The terrorist they are pinning this on, Al-Zarqawi, had no reason to have a Russian accent whatsoever. Much less SPEAK Russian spontaneously for no reason!

mr viagra 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

this isnt stupid and took effot and is an interesting read. i see no reason to take away thread privies and I am sure the mods see it the same way.

Themacabre 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes, he is dead. They told him to talk (you will notice by his calm demeanor that he clearly did not know he was going to be killed), then cut the tape. They killed him by some other method, propped him into the chair, rolled the tape, and began the decapitation.[/QUOTE]
So they killed him and then cut his head off...that's what you're going with. :lol:

Samhaine 05-13-2004 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=Pigs]next you'll be saying nostradamus predicted it[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.ntskeptics.org/cartoons/nostradamus.gif[/IMG]

QWERTY 05-13-2004 06:56 PM

interesting. I somewhat agree with you. I was wondering why that guy wasnt resisting when his own head was being cut off.... unless he was drugged up, hes was definetely dead.

Ries 05-13-2004 06:56 PM

i guess you can only get those chairs in one place on the planet

[IMG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/prisonchair1.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/prisonchair2.jpg[/IMG]


OMG THEY FILMED THE VIDEO IN MY HOUSE!

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]1) No, if you notice, I made 9 points, not 2. Please do not make absurd remarks such as this.
2) The terrorist they are pinning this on, Al-Zarqawi, had no reason to have a Russian accent whatsoever. Much less SPEAK Russian spontaneously for no reason![/QUOTE]

[size=7][b]you didn't make any point.. You're fucking copying and pasting from other sites[/b][/size]

Allnighte 05-13-2004 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=Dildo Parade]probably to distract attention from the iraqi prisoners torturing[/QUOTE]
if that's true, can you really blame them? is it such a bad thing? :lol:

Metem 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=barn animal]I knew it !

edit: seriously, I agreed with you the first time.[/QUOTE]

Asmordean 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

Or how about...
Russian Islamic fanatics capture the guy.
Have a prison uniform (perhaps they might have been in that very prison in the past).
Grab a plastic lawn chair (I have four of that very same chair in my backyard right now)
Kill said guy
Suck at video editing
Release tape.

Why the ring? Well since islam forbids killing, what is a rule against jewlery against that? Russian? Gee you know that nutcases live in the entire world and maybe they came to Iraq to go kill some Americans.

FelixDIB 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK][size=7][b]you didn't make any point.. You're fucking copying and pasting from other sites[/b][/size][/QUOTE]
link?

QWERTY 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=mr viagra]this isnt stupid and took effot and is an interesting read. i see no reason to take away thread privies and I am sure the mods see it the same way.[/QUOTE]

Viper01 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

well that depends on the ring issure, in Iraq the form of islam practiced there was much more relaxed and they got away with a lot more. for instance, it says in the Quran all women must be fully clothed and faces covered, but in iraq they allowed women to walk around like in America.

So i wouldn't be surprised if they relaxed on the ring issue as well.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:57 PM

[QUOTE=Squid]from your google link-

[url]http://www.tijaniyya.com/gold.htm[/url]



:tard:[/QUOTE]

I will disregard the person attack in your post because you have rebutted one of my points. But do not expect me to repeat this.

You are wrong, however - Gold rings are Haram, and therefore forbidden by Islam. The only reason even silver rings are allowed, is that Muhammed wore one - otherwise it would be under the same categorization.

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=Ries]i guess you can only get those chairs in one place on the planet

[IG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/prisonchair1.jpg[/IMG]
[IG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/prisonchair2.jpg[/IMG]


OMG THEY FILMED THE VIDEO IN MY HOUSE![/QUOTE]

:lol:
not to mention if you go down to walmart a whole section of the fucking lawn department is white plastic chairs

SemperFly 05-13-2004 06:58 PM

dotfolder.com

ViriiK 05-13-2004 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=FelixDIB]link?[/QUOTE]
Try [url]www.libertyforum.org[/url] for example.. Most conspiracy theories are formulated there.. "OMG It's the Jews" "OMG, Aliens did 9/11

chadwhack 05-13-2004 06:58 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes, he is dead. They told him to talk (you will notice by his calm demeanor that he clearly did not know he was going to be killed), then cut the tape. They killed him by some other method, propped him into the chair, rolled the tape, and began the decapitation.[/QUOTE]
he like shifts and shrugs his shoulders when he is sitting on the floor.......

Cannonbear 05-13-2004 06:58 PM

If they did speak russian, a chechnyan soldier would ift the bill.

Im not saying anyone's wrong, but there's got to be some explanations for this, whether it was a "routine" execution or not.

mike27 05-13-2004 06:59 PM

[QUOTE=chadwhack]so yer sayingg he was dead before they cut his head off?

he shifts around while hes sitting on the floor[/QUOTE]

:rolleyes: How difficult is it to wiggle a dead body that you hold firmly in your hand? (you will notice one of the killers is holding his body down during the execution, naturally)

ug_reborn 05-13-2004 06:59 PM

tl;dr

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:00 PM

[size=7][b]PIT THIS FUCKING CONSPIRACY THEORY BULLSHIT THREAD[/b][/size]

Jim Morrison 05-13-2004 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]1) No, if you notice, I made 9 points, not 2. Please do not make absurd remarks such as this.
2) The terrorist they are pinning this on, Al-Zarqawi, had no reason to have a Russian accent whatsoever. Much less SPEAK Russian spontaneously for no reason![/QUOTE]
I tried to condense most of your other points into one easy to read post. And why would the U.S. higher Russians to kill this guy? They would have to have one hell of a :tard: CIA agent running this thing to hire guys with obvious Russian accents. No its much more likely that either Al-Zarqawi was not speaking or the U.S. is after the wrong guy.

SemperFly 05-13-2004 07:00 PM

nick berg is really elvis

chadwhack 05-13-2004 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]:rolleyes: How difficult is it to wiggle a dead body that you hold firmly in your hand? (you will notice one of the killers is holding his body down during the execution, naturally)[/QUOTE]
around 2:32 in the video

although its almost spooky the way his shoulders drop

El_Pato 05-13-2004 07:01 PM

M only observation at the moment: You watched that movie way too much, and way too damn closely. :(

mike27 05-13-2004 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=FelixDIB]so you think the US did this?[/QUOTE]

Yes. As Lenin famously said, "Find the person [party] who will benefit...". These terrorists are not stupid, they would have known that releasing such a video would sway world opinion from anti-American hate back to support and sympathy. Why the hell would they do this?

SirCrapsAlot 05-13-2004 07:01 PM

My evidence disprove you :D
scroll down




shens

chadwhack 05-13-2004 07:01 PM

3:05 he wiggles his toes

1110 05-13-2004 07:02 PM

that would certainly be interesting if the iraqis made a video to look like the us government was in on it - i.e. they hired someone to kill them or they made the video themselves

:lol:

mike27 05-13-2004 07:02 PM

[QUOTE=TheIlluminatedOne]mike27 doesn't even believe in god so i don't know why he would put that in the title :lol:[/QUOTE]

I have said it before and I'll say it again - I DO believe in a God, as I have REPEATEDLY stated. Just because I reject your Christian faith, does not mean I am an athiest.

But thank you for attempting to derail the thread.

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 07:03 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes. As Lenin famously said, "Find the person [party] who will benefit...". These terrorists are not stupid, they would have known that releasing such a video would sway world opinion from anti-American hate back to support and sympathy. Why the hell would they do this?[/QUOTE]

er yeah well then bombing the USS Cole may of well be carried out by the US to get us sympathy as well :tard: ooo lets not forget the 98 embassy bombings :tard:

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:03 PM

[IMG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/iraq.jpeg[/IMG]

hostile 05-13-2004 07:04 PM

You're the new deep throat, and not just because that's your hobby.

Jim Morrison 05-13-2004 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes. As Lenin famously said, "Find the person [party] who will benefit...". These terrorists are not stupid, they would have known that releasing such a video would sway world opinion from anti-American hate back to support and sympathy. Why the hell would they do this?[/QUOTE]
Jesus Christ..... they are fucking fanatics, they dont need a logical reason to do anything. These are the same people who are suicide bombers, they dont care about the fucking consequences. They will carry out Gods will, and a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks has no idea how to manipulate the media without someone like Al-quedas help anyway.

auswipe 05-13-2004 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes. As Lenin famously said, "Find the person [party] who will benefit...". These terrorists are not stupid, they would have known that releasing such a video would sway world opinion from anti-American hate back to support and sympathy. Why the hell would they do this?[/QUOTE]

Maybe they are dumbasses?

Do members of the KKK sit around and dialogue about lynching somebody?

"Hey Billy Bob, I was thinking... If we lynch this OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG right here, we are not going to garner public opinion and push our message of White Supremacy"

"Say, Joe Bob. You're right. We better not do this as we do not want the political fallout"

Viper01 05-13-2004 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK][]PIT THIS FUCKING CONSPIRACY THEORY BULLSHIT THREAD[/b][/size][/QUOTE]


dude, calm the fuck down.

mike27 05-13-2004 07:05 PM

[QUOTE=Viper01]well that depends on the ring issure, in Iraq the form of islam practiced there was much more relaxed and they got away with a lot more. for instance, it says in the Quran all women must be fully clothed and faces covered, but in iraq they allowed women to walk around like in America.

So i wouldn't be surprised if they relaxed on the ring issue as well.[/QUOTE]

Women's clothing was an issue of decency and (as surprising as it is for people unfamiliar with Islam) protecting women from men (sexual assault, rape). Gold rings, on the other hand, are considered Haram, and are for that reason not permitted.

Maniac 05-13-2004 07:06 PM

"Berg Says Israeli Stamp Made Him Target
Berg told a friend that he was arrested by Iraqi police in Mosul because he had an Israeli stamp in his passport.

Most Arab countries bar foreigners from entering if their passports contain Israeli entry stamps. But the police chief in Mosul said Berg was never arrested.

U.S. officials have said Berg was arrested on March 24 because of suspicious behavior. For one thing, he was moving about in a dangerous place without any escort. For another, a U.S. official said, Berg was Jewish but was carrying texts that seemed anti-Semitic.

Berg was released from jail on April 6. In an e-mail to his family after his release, Berg said the FBI had questioned him about whether he had ever built a pipe bomb or had been in Iran. "


[url]http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/3300057/detail.html[/url]

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:07 PM

[IMG]http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/coalition_kia_iraq_00004.jpg[/IMG] THIS IS FAKE TOOO...... :tard:

Ariez 05-13-2004 07:07 PM

Man when you said fake, i had hoped you meant it was stage by acting. But to no avail, the video of the beheading is still real. :(

Affinity 05-13-2004 07:08 PM

I was the first to post that the time changed as well as the scenes.

Viper01 05-13-2004 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=auswipe]Maybe they are dumbasses?

Do members of the KKK sit around and dialogue about lynching somebody?

"Hey Billy Bob, I was thinking... If we lynch this OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG right here, we are not going to garner public opinion and push our message of White Supremacy"

"Say, Joe Bob. You're right. We better not do this as we do not want the political fallout"[/QUOTE]


:lol:

well said

1110 05-13-2004 07:08 PM

the iraqis planted evidence in the footage to make it look like the us government made it

mike27 05-13-2004 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison]Jesus Christ..... they are fucking fanatics, they dont need a logical reason to do anything. These are the same people who are suicide bombers, they dont care about the fucking consequences. They will carry out Gods will, and a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks has no idea how to manipulate the media without someone like Al-quedas help anyway.[/QUOTE]

I do hope you are kidding - you cannot possibly believe that the same people who (you believe) were intelligent enough to orchestrate September 11th are "a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks". Remember the old adage - "crazy, not stupid".

Squid 05-13-2004 07:08 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]I will disregard the person attack in your post because you have rebutted one of my points. But do not expect me to repeat this.

You are wrong, however - Gold rings are Haram, and therefore forbidden by Islam. The only reason even silver rings are allowed, is that Muhammed wore one - otherwise it would be under the same categorization.[/QUOTE]


oh gnoes teh nuck will not disregard "person attack"

fuck you buddy, your stupid cut/paste lies are as transparent as wet toilet paper. i personally wipe my dick on your entire 9 point ball of bullshit. A man was murdered and mutilated by barbaric psycho muslims and you have the FUCKING NERVE to blame it on my country/government??

just to clarify, you speak arabic and can hear this "russian" accent? or do you depend on that "fact" like the rest of your bullshit? If you can't speak it and verify it then STFU and stop biting on the shit these idiots are throwing you.

svidROD 05-13-2004 07:09 PM

the first time jump means nothing. the time jump that durring the beheading is interesting. it goes from 2:whatever to 13:whatever in what should have taken a few seconds

auswipe 05-13-2004 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=Viper01]:lol:

well said[/QUOTE]

Thanks.

chadwhack 05-13-2004 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=1110]the iraqis planted evidence in the footage to make it look like the us government made it[/QUOTE]
omfg winner :lol:

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:09 PM

[QUOTE=Viper01]dude, calm the fuck down.[/QUOTE]
No I will not calm down.. THis idiot mike27 thinks the whole world is after him

Over time we know what mike27's position is

Mike27 supports Saddam Hussien (Good job buddy, you eliminated 100K of your enemies mike27's response: But you supplied him with weapons, Sure we did.. Foxbats, AK-47's, Hinds)
Mike27 supports the UN's failure to prevent Genocide which Kofi Annan admits so ie Rwanda,
Mike27's so confident the UN is prepared to handle Iraq even though they retreated from Iraq after one bombing..
Mike27 opposes action..
Mike27 thinks Jews are controlling the world..
Mike27 thinks Berg is fake therefore his father must be wrong
Mike27 thinks that every soldier in the ME are rapist and murderers..
the fucking list goes on as mike27 keeps reading What Really Happened and Liberty Forum..

THank fucking god this moron doesn't work for the government or any investigation group..

Squid 05-13-2004 07:10 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]I do hope you are kidding - you cannot possibly believe that the same people who (you believe) were intelligent enough to orchestrate September 11th are "a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks". Remember the old adage - "crazy, not stupid".[/QUOTE]


stupid would have meant doing it without the ninja masks.


crazy not stupid right?

fittysix 05-13-2004 07:10 PM

golg ring...
OMG he was killed by goatse man :eek:
conspiracy...

DigitalChaos 05-13-2004 07:10 PM

nice post man

and everyone thinks i am crazy.. pshh

mike27 05-13-2004 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=Affinity]I was the first to post that the time changed as well as the scenes.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, many have posted about this, but I haven't seen anyone take the time to build a thorough case such as I have. I have pieced together evidence I have found and put it in a coherent, logical, easy to read format.

chadwhack 05-13-2004 07:11 PM

viriik leave the fucking thread already you fag nobody gives a shit

Don 05-13-2004 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Yes. As Lenin famously said, "Find the person [party] who will benefit...". These terrorists are not stupid, they would have known that releasing such a video would sway world opinion from anti-American hate back to support and sympathy. Why the hell would they do this?[/QUOTE]


I guess this is where i disagree.

The middle east is pissed off at america for running all over them with our power, money and religion. Its the same reason they are bombing us over there, they arent going to allow us to come in and humiliate them that easily, and to show how sicko they are about this, they cut off a guys head.

Squid 05-13-2004 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]No I will not calm down.. THis idiot mike27 thinks the whole world is after him

Over time we know what mike27's position is

Mike27 supports Saddam Hussien (Good job buddy, you eliminated 100K of your enemies mike27's response: But you supplied him with weapons, Sure we did.. Foxbats, AK-47's, Hinds)
Mike27 supports the UN's failure to prevent Genocide which Kofi Annan admits so ie Rwanda,
Mike27's so confident the UN is prepared to handle Iraq even though they retreated from Iraq after one bombing..
Mike27 opposes action..
Mike27 thinks Jews are controlling the world..
Mike27 thinks Berg is fake therefore his father must be wrong
Mike27 thinks that every soldier in the ME are rapist and murderers..
the fucking list goes on as mike27 keeps reading What Really Happened and Liberty Forum..

THank fucking god this moron doesn't work for the government or any investigation group..[/QUOTE]


daaaam! :p

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:11 PM

[QUOTE=chadwhack]viriik leave the fucking thread already you fag nobody gives a shit[/QUOTE]
Blow off moron.. I do not support this idiot to keep thinking he's right.. He's a fucking moron..

mike27 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=auswipe]Maybe they are dumbasses?

Do members of the KKK sit around and dialogue about lynching somebody?

"Hey Billy Bob, I was thinking... If we lynch this OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG right here, we are not going to garner public opinion and push our message of White Supremacy"

"Say, Joe Bob. You're right. We better not do this as we do not want the political fallout"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mike27]I do hope you are kidding - you cannot possibly believe that the same people who (you believe) were intelligent enough to orchestrate September 11th are "a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks". Remember the old adage - "crazy, not stupid".[/QUOTE]

welcomerain 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

with your superlative investigative skills and the incontravertable evidence you presented by such reputable journalism outlets such as the infallable cnn; mike, you should consider working for intelligence or hell, run for the presidency of the united states. oh gee. the litmus test for legitmacy must be that if it's posted on the internet and some nut can link to it, it MUST be true.

the issue with berg being detained by u.s. authorities is still being scrutinized, o' mikey boy. your evidence is inconclusive. your speculation is only speculation, and i am deeply dissapointed for those who recieve your flawed theories as gospel. there is contention that berg was withheld by iraqi authorities because they were determining his purpose in iraq (not being a contractor, or related to the u.s. in any regard other than sheer citizenship and the fact that he was interested in assisting iraqis and furthering his business venture). in his refusal to leave iraq, because he was contacted by FBI and was offered a hasty escorted exit, he was tragically kidnapped by zarqawi.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119864,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/05/13/slain_american_met_with_fbi_while_detained/[/url]

met with, not detained by. don't drink and differentiate. it's dangerous.

muslums do not wear rings therefore, that must preclude these people in question from their supposed identities? by that logic, muslums do not disobey their own laws. how inconceivable! therefore, those dolts that wore the oh so allah-forbbidden accessories must not be muslums by that very same virtue. they don't mistreat their prisoners either, as Muhammad taught. neither do they drink, abuse their own bodies as temples of god, rape, steal, lie, or otherwise act human.

let's see you respond without resorting to infantile name calling and your third grade rhetoric.

i have more worthwhile activities to engage in than to entertain and amuse you, troll. for instance, sleeping, spamming, and watching paint dry.


furthermore, wtf makes you believe you're entitled to special treatment? pit, mofo!

Squid 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Like I said, many have posted about this, but I haven't seen anyone take the time to build a thorough case such as I have. I have pieced together evidence I have found and put it in a coherent, logical, easy to read ball of lies.[/QUOTE]


fixed.

chadwhack 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Blow off moron.. I do not support this idiot to keep thinking he's right.. He's a fucking moron..[/QUOTE]
OMG CLOSE THE THRED NOW WHY DIDNT YOU SAY THAT EARLIER!!!

Reverend Winte 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK][size=5][b]Will someone take away mike27's threadmaking priviledge away.. I'm not debating this shit when it came from another forum.. If you want to debate.. go to that fucking forum..[/b][/size][/QUOTE]
waaaaaaa

1110 05-13-2004 07:12 PM

[size=123]the iraqis planted evidence in the video to make it look like it was created by the US government[/size]

Viper01 05-13-2004 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]No I will not calm down.. THis idiot mike27 thinks the whole world is after him

Over time we know what mike27's position is

Mike27 supports Saddam Hussien (Good job buddy, you eliminated 100K of your enemies mike27's response: But you supplied him with weapons, Sure we did.. Foxbats, AK-47's, Hinds)


THank fucking god this moron doesn't work for the government or any investigation group..[/QUOTE]


well we actually did supply iraq with weapons.....the united states was the main responsibility behind getting sadam to power. Hell the government has already admitted that.

back to thread topic though...

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]No I will not calm down.. THis idiot mike27 thinks the whole world is after him

Over time we know what mike27's position is

Mike27 supports Saddam Hussien (Good job buddy, you eliminated 100K of your enemies mike27's response: But you supplied him with weapons, Sure we did.. Foxbats, AK-47's, Hinds)
Mike27 supports the UN's failure to prevent Genocide which Kofi Annan admits so ie Rwanda,
Mike27's so confident the UN is prepared to handle Iraq even though they retreated from Iraq after one bombing..
Mike27 opposes action..
Mike27 thinks Jews are controlling the world..
Mike27 thinks Berg is fake therefore his father must be wrong
Mike27 thinks that every soldier in the ME are rapist and murderers..
the fucking list goes on as mike27 keeps reading What Really Happened and Liberty Forum..

THank fucking god this moron doesn't work for the government or any investigation group..[/QUOTE]


Mike27 whats your response to this buddy...seems that its the truth to me...you are a coward and a liberal one at that...Hmmm... is there a difference? :confused:

Maniac 05-13-2004 07:13 PM

I thought Bin Lade nwas a leftie...


[img]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/binladen8.jpg[/img]

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=chadwhack]viriik leave the fucking thread already you fag nobody gives a shit[/QUOTE]

he actually made a point in his last post

mike27 is a prime example of a pure douchebag. he stopped posting in the pit after he got a royal ass fucking in that one thread and took all his shit to genmay.

Squid 05-13-2004 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Blow off moron.. I do not support this idiot to keep thinking he's right.. He's a fucking moron..[/QUOTE]


add me to the "like me" part of your sig :heart:

:D

mike27 05-13-2004 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]No I will not calm down.. THis idiot mike27 thinks the whole world is after him

Over time we know what mike27's position is

Mike27 supports Saddam Hussien (Good job buddy, you eliminated 100K of your enemies mike27's response: But you supplied him with weapons, Sure we did.. Foxbats, AK-47's, Hinds)
Mike27 supports the UN's failure to prevent Genocide which Kofi Annan admits so ie Rwanda,
Mike27's so confident the UN is prepared to handle Iraq even though they retreated from Iraq after one bombing..
Mike27 opposes action..
Mike27 thinks Jews are controlling the world..
Mike27 thinks Berg is fake therefore his father must be wrong
Mike27 thinks that every soldier in the ME are rapist and murderers..
the fucking list goes on as mike27 keeps reading What Really Happened and Liberty Forum..

THank fucking god this moron doesn't work for the government or any investigation group..[/QUOTE]

Slander, lies, and nothing but bullshit. Everybody is fed up with you, go peddle your fabricated slander elsewhere.

Arseface 05-13-2004 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=Allnighte][IMG]http://www.iupload.net/042004/mega-rolleyes.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

class.

Dildo Parade 05-13-2004 07:14 PM

[QUOTE=Squid]oh gnoes teh nuck will not disregard "person attack"

fuck you buddy, your stupid cut/paste lies are as transparent as wet toilet paper. i personally wipe my dick on your entire 9 point ball of bullshit. A man was murdered and mutilated by barbaric psycho muslims and you have the FUCKING NERVE to blame it on my country/government??

just to clarify, you speak arabic and can hear this "russian" accent? or do you depend on that "fact" like the rest of your bullshit? If you can't speak it and verify it then STFU and stop biting on the shit these idiots are throwing you.[/QUOTE]


:lol:

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Slander, lies, and nothing but bullshit. Everybody is fed up with you, go peddle your fabricated slander elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
Wow I'm so fucking glad you think so.. You still think the world is after you.. "OMG THE JEWS ARE RUNNING THE WORLD.. WE MUST RISE UP"

I got friends (12 of them) over there.. I even know Chief Wiggles since we're mormons.. The idiots of 14 guys do not represent the military..

Regulus 05-13-2004 07:15 PM

[SIZE=7]TERRORISTS WIN[/size]

Squid 05-13-2004 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Slander, lies, and nothing but bullshit. Everybody is fed up with you, go peddle your fabricated slander elsewhere.[/QUOTE]


hello pot, i'm kettle.

deltabourne 05-13-2004 07:15 PM

lololol





























lololololololololololololol

Vienge 05-13-2004 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=1110][size=123]the US planted evidence in the video to make it look like it was the Iraqis trying to plant evidence that the tape was created by the US government[/size][/QUOTE]

welcomerain 05-13-2004 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=welcomerain]with your superlative investigative skills and the incontravertable evidence you presented by such reputable journalism outlets such as the infallable cnn; mike, you should consider working for intelligence or hell, run for the presidency of the united states. oh gee. the litmus test for legitmacy must be that if it's posted on the internet and some nut can link to it, it MUST be true.

the issue with berg being detained by u.s. authorities is still being scrutinized, o' mikey boy. your evidence is inconclusive. your speculation is only speculation, and i am deeply dissapointed for those who recieve your flawed theories as gospel. there is contention that berg was withheld by iraqi authorities because they were determining his purpose in iraq (not being a contractor, or related to the u.s. in any regard other than sheer citizenship and the fact that he was interested in assisting iraqis and furthering his business venture). in his refusal to leave iraq, because he was contacted by FBI and was offered a hasty escorted exit, he was tragically kidnapped by zarqawi.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119864,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/05/13/slain_american_met_with_fbi_while_detained/[/url]

met with, not detained by. don't drink and differentiate. it's dangerous.

muslums do not wear rings therefore, that must preclude these people in question from their supposed identities? by that logic, muslums do not disobey their own laws. how inconceivable! therefore, those dolts that wore the oh so allah-forbbidden accessories must not be muslums by that very same virtue. they don't mistreat their prisoners either, as Muhammad taught. neither do they drink, abuse their own bodies as temples of god, rape, steal, lie, or otherwise act human.

let's see you respond without resorting to infantile name calling and your third grade rhetoric.

i have more worthwhile activities to engage in than to entertain and amuse you, troll. for instance, sleeping, spamming, and watching paint dry.


furthermore, wtf makes you believe you're entitled to special treatment? pit, mofo![/QUOTE]

Pudgygiant 05-13-2004 07:16 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. This reminds me so much of the movie "Videodrome" that it's scary. For those of you that haven't seen it, it's about broadcasting violent snuff movies (often with fetish sexual undertones) that brainwash viewers.

Don 05-13-2004 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=Don]I guess this is where i disagree.

The middle east is pissed off at america for running all over them with our power, money and religion. Its the same reason they are bombing us over there, they arent going to allow us to come in and humiliate them that easily, and to show how sicko they are about this, they cut off a guys head.[/QUOTE]

mike27 05-13-2004 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=Don]I guess this is where i disagree.

The middle east is pissed off at america for running all over them with our power, money and religion. Its the same reason they are bombing us over there, they arent going to allow us to come in and humiliate them that easily, and to show how sicko they are about this, they cut off a guys head.[/QUOTE]

But, as I have stated many times, their timing is atrocious for their cause. They had the entire world reeling at the US over this abuse scandal. These people are in fact SO good at manipulation and politics that they can brainwash ordinary citizens into dying for their radical islamist cause. Does this sound like the pack of idiots who would release a video that essentially covers their enemy's ass just as the planet finally starts to side with them?

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=Viper01]well we actually did supply iraq with weapons.....the united states was the main responsibility behind getting sadam to power. Hell the government has already admitted that.

back to thread topic though...[/QUOTE]

so did pretty much everyone else give him weapons. fuck look into the Iraq-Iran war. the world prefered Iraq to the Islamic controlled Iran.

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=Pudgygiant]I've said it before and I'll say it again. This reminds me so much of the movie "Videodrome" that it's scary. For those of you that haven't seen it, it's about broadcasting violent snuff movies (often with fetish sexual undertones) that brainwash viewers.[/QUOTE]
My friend told me about that movie.. Sound fucked up..

auswipe 05-13-2004 07:19 PM

[quote=mike27]
[quote=auswipe]
Maybe they are dumbasses?

Do members of the KKK sit around and dialogue about lynching somebody?

"Hey Billy Bob, I was thinking... If we lynch this right here, we are not going to garner public opinion and push our message of White Supremacy"

"Say, Joe Bob. You're right. We better not do this as we do not want the political fallout"
[/quote]

[quote=mike27]
I do hope you are kidding - you cannot possibly believe that the same people who (you believe) were intelligent enough to orchestrate September 11th are "a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks". Remember the old adage - "crazy, not stupid".
[/quote]
[/quote]

All members of the KKK are stupid and there is no way that a member of the KKK could intelligent and still lynch?

CS Player 05-13-2004 07:19 PM

what a bunch of shitty looking terrists. and i cant understand a bit of that gibberish.. interesting that they would fake that it has motive for them to.. so is it real or fake?

edit: kid looks pretty calm for just about the get decapitated..

welcomerain 05-13-2004 07:20 PM

mods, please pit this bitch. mike isn't special.

Feigned 05-13-2004 07:20 PM

Like Mike, doooo dooooooo dooooo, if I could be like Mike.

Kabal 05-13-2004 07:20 PM

Nobody in that video speaks Russian. :tard:


They say a bunch of crap about allah at the end in some language I don't understand (i.e. Arabic), but its not Russian.

deltabourne 05-13-2004 07:20 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]But, as I have stated many times, their timing is atrocious for their cause. They had the entire world reeling at the US over this abuse scandal. These people are in fact SO good at manipulation and politics that they can brainwash ordinary citizens into dying for their radical islamist cause. Does this sound like the pack of idiots who would release a video that essentially covers their enemy's ass just as the planet finally starts to side with them?[/QUOTE]
FYI Islamic fundamentalists aren't known for their political tact :tard:

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=Kabal]Nobody in that video speaks Russian. :tard:


They say a bunch of crap about allah at the end in some language I don't understand (i.e. Arabic), but its not Russian.[/QUOTE]
Allahu Ackabar or something like that..

welcomerain 05-13-2004 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=CS Player]what a bunch of shitty looking terrists. and i cant understand a bit of that gibberish.. interesting that they would fake that it has motive for them to.. so is it real or fake?

edit: kid looks pretty calm for just about the get decapitated..[/QUOTE]

oh. would you be calm if you were treated hospitably for weeks and uninformed about their imminent plans to decapitate you?

Don 05-13-2004 07:22 PM

change in times, probably means two different cameras.

you know they werent gonna do something that sick and have one camera that could fail.

JoJoFine 05-13-2004 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=Kabal]Nobody in that video speaks Russian. :tard:


They say a bunch of crap about allah at the end in some language I don't understand (i.e. Arabic), but its not Russian.[/QUOTE]


im learning Russian right now and even i can tell thats no Russian.

mike27 05-13-2004 07:22 PM

[QUOTE=welcomerain]with your superlative investigative skills and the incontravertable evidence you presented by such reputable journalist outlets such as the infallable cnn; mike, you should consider working for intelligence or hell, run for the presidency of the united states. oh gee. the litmus test for legitmacy must be that if it's posted on the internet and some nut can link to it, it MUST be true.

the issue with berg being detained by u.s. authorities is still being scrutinized, o' mikey boy. your evidence is inconclusive. your speculation is only speculation, and i am deeply dissapointed for those who recieve your flawed theories as gospel. there is contention that berg was withheld by iraqi authorities because they were determining his purpose in iraq (not being a contractor, or related to the u.s. in any regard other than sheer citizenship and the fact that he was interested in assisting iraqis and furthering his business venture). in his refusal to leave iraq, because he was contacted by FBI and was offered a hasty escorted exit, he was tragically kidnapped by zarqawi.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119864,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119734,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/05/13/slain_american_met_with_fbi_while_detained/[/url]

met with, not detained by. don't drink and differentiate. it's dangerous.

muslums do not wear rings therefore, that must preclude these people in question from their supposed identities? by that logic, muslums do not disobey their own laws. how inconceivable! therefore, those dolts that wore the oh so allah-forbbidden accessories must not be muslums by that very same virtue. they don't mistreat their prisoners either, as Muhammad taught. neither do they drink, abuse their own bodies as temples of god, rape, steal, lie, or otherwise act human.

let's see you respond without resorting to infantile name calling and your third grade rhetoric.

i have more worthwhile activities to engage in than to entertain and amuse you, troll. for instance, sleeping, spamming, and watching paint dry.


furthermore, wtf makes you believe you're entitled to special treatment? pit, mofo![/QUOTE]

First of all, you attack my credibility because I posted a single CNN link - and then you post three Fox News links? I need not say more.

As for your discussion of Berg's meeting with US soldiers (which dominated your post, despite taking up only a single line in my initial post), I hardly see how this disproves what I have said. You are simply regurgitating something we (those who have looked into the matter) already know.

And finally, as for the gold ring - these men believe what they are doing is MORAL and CORRECT. Unfortunately, your assertions about Islam are false, or simply half-truths. As I have said, Islam condones the killing of others if the cause is "moral". These men believe their cause is moral. Gold rings, on the other hand, are STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Unlike murder, there is no way around this.

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Slander, lies, and nothing but bullshit. Everybody is fed up with you, go peddle your fabricated slander elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
So his statements are wrong??

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=JoJoFine]im learning Russian right now and even i can tell thats no Russian.[/QUOTE]
Ownage.

bungle 05-13-2004 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]What about going to a strip club and paying for a bJ? :)[/QUOTE]
Osama Bin Laden once said (translated) 'god grants his holy warriors special priviledges of the flesh'
since they plan to die for the 'holiest' of causes, they use that to justify breaking Shariya law like crazy

Don 05-13-2004 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]But, as I have stated many times, their timing is atrocious for their cause. They had the entire world reeling at the US over this abuse scandal. These people are in fact SO good at manipulation and politics that they can brainwash ordinary citizens into dying for their radical islamist cause. Does this sound like the pack of idiots who would release a video that essentially covers their enemy's ass just as the planet finally starts to side with them?[/QUOTE]


their cause? their cause is to be their own fucking country with no help from the US, and deffinitely not being humiliated by the US. It is pretty clear these people will do anything to not allow their people to be humiliated anymore, both by occupation and in the prisons.

ViriiK 05-13-2004 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]So his statements are wrong??[/QUOTE]
Plenty of people on this forum likes me.. Mike27 is one of the most hated idiots on this forum for his conspiracy bullshits

MisterKinish 05-13-2004 07:24 PM

okay mikey... so..... who are the ruskies doing this for? cuz if anyone's benefitting from this it's Bush.

Jesus 05-13-2004 07:26 PM

well that was intresting

welcomerain 05-13-2004 07:27 PM

[QUOTE=ViriiK]Plenty of people on this forum likes me.. Mike27 is one of the most hated idiots on this forum for his conspiracy bullshits[/QUOTE]

he's more irratating than digitalchaos, who was pretty nifty until he owned experimental sex ferrets.

1110 05-13-2004 07:28 PM

the iraqis planted evidence to make it look like it was done by the us government

ATP 05-13-2004 07:28 PM

Some of your points are kind of lame (same colour paint :tard: ) but some of them intrigue me. I haven't read the whole thread, but if someone can verify the Russian accents and speaking, then I will call shens and bullshit on the US government, and... well that's all I can really do. :/

Now you've got me thinking. :mad:

Allnighte 05-13-2004 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]First of all, you attack my credibility because I posted a single CNN link - and then you post three Fox News links? I need not say more.

As for your discussion of Berg's meeting with US soldiers (which dominated your post, despite taking up only a single line in my initial post), I hardly see how this disproves what I have said. You are simply regurgitating something we (those who have looked into the matter) already know.

And finally, as for the gold ring - these men believe what they are doing is MORAL and CORRECT. Unfortunately, your assertions about Islam are false, or simply half-truths. As I have said, Islam condones the killing of others if the cause is "moral". These men believe their cause is moral. Gold rings, on the other hand, are STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Unlike murder, there is no way around this.[/QUOTE]
if you're going to claim someone elses links aren't valid, you should stop using them yourself

mike27 05-13-2004 07:28 PM

[QUOTE=Samhaine]So his statements are wrong??[/QUOTE]

All but the one about Berg, yes.

suffocate 05-13-2004 07:28 PM

ViriiK get the fuck out of this thread. You not added anything. Fuck you

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:29 PM

So is this how we are supposed to treat the terrorist?


[IMG]http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051304/content/truth_detector.Par.0001.ImageFile.jpg[/IMG]

Don 05-13-2004 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]But, as I have stated many times, their timing is atrocious for their cause. They had the entire world reeling at the US over this abuse scandal. These people are in fact SO good at manipulation and politics that they can brainwash ordinary citizens into dying for their radical islamist cause. Does this sound like the pack of idiots who would release a video that essentially covers their enemy's ass just as the planet finally starts to side with them?[/QUOTE]

dup but ill leave it because you prob missed it the first time around.

their cause? their cause is to be their own fucking country with no help from the US, and deffinitely not being humiliated by the US. It is pretty clear these people will do anything to not allow their people to be humiliated anymore, both by occupation and in the prisons.

mike27 05-13-2004 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=JoJoFine]im learning Russian right now and even i can tell thats no Russian.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately for you, both of my parents speak Russian (they grew up in Czechoslovakia when it was mandatory) and they have verified it. Sorry.

DigitalChaos 05-13-2004 07:29 PM

fyi.. i thought you did such a good job on that post i decided to send it out in email form to a few people.... damn

Samhaine 05-13-2004 07:30 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]All but the one about Berg, yes.[/QUOTE]
So the soviets didnt give saddam weapons?Last time i check Mig-29 fulcrums and hind helicopters were made in the good old Soviet union.

sykoex 05-13-2004 07:31 PM

Hmm, I can at least explain the jump in time, the tape was obviously being filmed by 2 different cameras. Everytime the time jumps, so does the camera angle.

Also Chadwack was right about the movie toes and 3:05.

Don 05-13-2004 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=DigitalChaos]fyi.. i thought you did such a good job on that post i decided to send it out in email form to a few people.... damn[/QUOTE]


you realize his "proof" was web links to other websites speculating...

gazaktoid 05-13-2004 07:31 PM

i think the proper drink would be fanta shokata

Zedro 05-13-2004 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]But, as I have stated many times, their timing is atrocious for their cause. They had the entire world reeling at the US over this abuse scandal. These people are in fact SO good at manipulation and politics that they can brainwash ordinary citizens into dying for their radical islamist cause. Does this sound like the pack of idiots who would release a video that essentially covers their enemy's ass just as the planet finally starts to side with them?[/QUOTE]

This is all well and good, except that the people doing this don't want to win in the court of public opinion. They want to flat out kill, maim and destroy Americans and our allies. If they were trying to negotiate, this might not make sense, but all they want to do is fight and kill. By ensuring that the Americans have reason to stay and fight, they accomplish their goals. These people do not fear death nor do they fear fighting, most of them welcome it. You are trying to apply your logic to the actions of a terrorist. You completely misunderstand their objectives and, consequently, fail in your analysis of motives.

DigitalChaos 05-13-2004 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Unfortunately for you, both of my parents speak Russian (they grew up in Czechoslovakia when it was mandatory) and they have verified it. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
dude.. while 90% of the conspiracy shit i post is simply to get a rise out of people... some of it truely believe. In the end even if fucking al gore released a video of GWB shooting an rpg at the whitehouse.. as long as CNN said it was fake and that gore is a commie bastard.. NOBODY would believe you.. why? cause its easier to live life without conflict

Squid 05-13-2004 07:32 PM

1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?

[b]what? this makes no sense to anyone[/b]

2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?

[b]Well how the fuck would you know? Were you stationed there? What makes you think those are even the same kind of chair? They look similar but they could be made my totally different compaines. Hell they could be different colors (know anything about digital pictures or photoshop?)[/b]

3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?

[b]depending on the camera (very shitty one the terrorists use in the vid) the colors could be completly different. so no sale on this one. [/b]

6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? [url]http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm[/url] I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?

[b]the link you posted is for rodents. a man is not a rat. this point is questionable tho but there were 4 people to hold the guy down AND they could have cut his spinal cord thus ending any convulsions. [/b]

7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?

[b]Well this is total horseshit. [url]http://www.nbc5.com/news/3295422/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65193[/url][/b]

8) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.

[b]more lies.[/b]

9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

[b]I already debunked the gold ring.[/b]

Conclusion?

you are full of shit.

MisterKinish 05-13-2004 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=DigitalChaos]fyi.. i thought you did such a good job on that post i decided to send it out in email form to a few people.... damn[/QUOTE]
Forward it to Art Bell while you're at it.

Allnighte 05-13-2004 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=mike27]Unfortunately for you, both of my parents speak Russian (they grew up in Czechoslovakia when it was mandatory) and they have verified it. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
is there *any* possible way you can try to show something *without* using the authority method?


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