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there were never any sanctions on iraq. we were always at war with east eurasia.

I think you are thinking of the abuses and corruption in the oil for food program. Saddam wasn't building palaces by selling the food we sent in trade for oil, he was illegally selling additional oil outside the program and getting kickbacks from countries/companies in the oil for food program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil-for...rogramme#Abuse
That's a lot of money going in Saddams left pocket..yet somehow it is still the fault of the U.S. that children in Iraq didn't have enough to eat? Or maybe you think we should have taken military action to stop him from doing that and make sure the money went back to the people...or just left him the fuck alone to invade and kill whoever he wanted.
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I didn't blame us for that. the rest of the world does.

also, that shit really happened yo, and saddam was our dictator, and we kinda did knowingly let his people pay the price for us trying to punish the guy who we had previously supported...

remember, he was our guy when he was invading and killing the people we wanted him to, or when we ignored him killing his own people...
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I didn't blame us for that. the rest of the world does.

also, that shit really happened yo, and saddam was our dictator, and we kinda did knowingly let his people pay the price for us trying to punish the guy who we had previously supported...

remember, he was our guy when he was invading and killing the people we wanted him to, or when we ignored him killing his own people...
You said that the statement "US led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children" was a "perfectly rational and true statement" (your words)..are you backing away from that now you've had time to think about it?

Using that same grand logic, one could say that all the deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq since 02 were the result of Islamic extremists.
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...of course putting on UN sanctions, and invading countries, are two very similar things. Similarly, opposing sanctions, or resisting occupation also compute very well.

Perfectly logical, old chap.
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You said that the statement "US led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children" was a "perfectly rational and true statement" (your words)..are you backing away from that now you've had time to think about it?

that is a rational statement. THAT SHIT HAPPENED. we were naive to think we could trust a ruthless dictator who didn't give two shits about his own people. Kinda sucks that we couldn't even trust our allies not to buy saddam's oil behind our back though.

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Using that same grand logic, one could say that all the deaths in Afghanistan/Iraq since 02 were the result of Islamic extremists.
I don't follow that logic.
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I don't follow that logic.

Why not? it's perfectly rational after all. They had to realize that the constant attacks and then one of the magnitude of 9/11 would lead to retaliation of some sort. Targeting the regimes that support them.
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Iraq was a secular dictatorship that had nothing to do with 9/11...
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*ignores around 100 years of colonialism, imperialism and ousting and assassination of democratically elected leaders that are unfavourable to us/western interest*

"b-b-b-ut...surely ..they had to understand we'd retaliate.... gahhhh the stupid in me is so huge it's blocking my airways"
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Iraq was a secular dictatorship that had nothing to do with 9/11...

who financed jihadist groups around the world.
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Iraq was a secular dictatorship that had nothing to do with 9/11...
Never said they did, but the actions of the government (and later Islamic extremists) caused all the bloodshed in Iraq just like the U.S. sanctions caused children to go to bed without their dinner. (using your logic of course)
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So I haven't heard of any korans being burned. I guess that means no muslims will be decapitating people on camera hanging soldiers corpses off of bridges burning american flags blowing up embasies ships in port disco's etc. Oh wait they did all that Before any threat to burn a koran was made. Thought we dodged a bullet their for a second.
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So I haven't heard of any korans being burned. I guess that means no muslims will be decapitating people on camera hanging soldiers corpses off of bridges burning american flags blowing up embasies ships in port disco's etc. Oh wait they did all that Before any threat to burn a koran was made. Thought we dodged a bullet their for a second.

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