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Upgradable? Or buy new?

So I have an old computer from school that's getting a little long in the tooth. I am considering two options:

1) Upgrade with new ram, SSD, video card, maybe liquid cooling CPU

2) Buy a new computer.

Where's my maximum value? If I can get 90% of the computer (by upgrading) for 1/2 the cost, I'd prefer to go that route. I'm mostly using it for gaming with a little bit of work stuff (Revit/CAD/etc)

This is the current setup:

Asus P-5B mobo
Core 2 Duo 3.16ghz
4 gb Buffalo Firestix DDR2 1066mhz
GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
7200rpm 320gb sata HD
FSP 450W power supply <-- hrmm that might need to go as well

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I'm in a similar boat. I'm learning towards getting some more ram, 1x SSD + 2x RAID-1 1tb HDD. Already upgraded the graphics card.

keep cpu pros:
- don't have to spend $200 on new cpu
- don't have to spend $150-200 on new motherboard

cons:
- cheap memory, $100 for 16gb!

Here's my specs:
Intel QX6800 @ 3.6
2gb ddr2 800
Radeon 6800
2x 250gb HDD
600W Seasonic
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I'd normally advise a new build based on an i7/triple channel setup, but with the newest procs around the corner, it might be an idea to wait and polish the turd a bit til then.
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I'd normally advise a new build based on an i7/triple channel setup, but with the newest procs around the corner, it might be an idea to wait and polish the turd a bit til then.

i love it. Every thread asking about building a new computer someone always says this. Not because it's not true, but because it's the truth ha ha
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i love it. Every thread asking about building a new computer someone always says this. Not because it's not true, but because it's the truth ha ha

If you go back 6 months to a year, you'll see I wouldnt say that at all, and that the best bang for the buck was an i7-based setup. I'm not a real fan of sandy mangina, because we won't use the integrated graphics, which makes it a huge waste; plus, triple-channel RAM >>>>> double-channel RAM, so 1366 or the new stuff is the way to go (quad-channel RAM FTMFW?? ).

The big plus now is the prices of i7/1366 will go down alot now, and you can get alot of machine for not much $$, and it'll still run with the new stuff, for awhile at least.
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Some quick suggestions from me:

- Double RAM to 8GB, DDR2 is getting expensive, not sure how much it is nowadays
- Get SSD for your OS/apps, pair it up with your mechanical HDD for storage
- Get new video card, I wouldn't much higher than $200 though
- You will probably need a new PSU
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An SSD has been the best bang for buck upgrade for my laptop and desktop. Drop one in and reinstall and you'll be able to hold off on other upgrades for a while IMHO....
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I'd normally advise a new build based on an i7/triple channel setup, but with the newest procs around the corner, it might be an idea to wait and polish the turd a bit til then.




umm, the "newest" processors came out six months ago. The i7/triple channel you are talking about is the previous generation.



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If you go back 6 months to a year, you'll see I wouldnt say that at all, and that the best bang for the buck was an i7-based setup. I'm not a real fan of sandy mangina, because we won't use the integrated graphics, which makes it a huge waste; plus, triple-channel RAM >>>>> double-channel RAM, so 1366 or the new stuff is the way to go (quad-channel RAM FTMFW?? ).

The big plus now is the prices of i7/1366 will go down alot now, and you can get alot of machine for not much $$, and it'll still run with the new stuff, for awhile at least.



Who cares if it comes with integrated graphics that you won't be using? If has the best performance to price ratio. It also comes with a box that you will likely throw away.

Its one benefit of triple channel ram is better in a tiny number of circumstances and even then the increase is small. There are many (or >>>>>) benchmarks that show this.

i7/S1366 costs the same or more than Sandy Bridge, has lower performance on average and uses more power. The only time it makes sense to buy one now is if you need a six core cpu system today (or some crackhead offers you a computer for dirt cheap).




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So I have an old computer from school that's getting a little long in the tooth. I am considering two options:

1) Upgrade with new ram, SSD, video card, maybe liquid cooling CPU

2) Buy a new computer.

Where's my maximum value? If I can get 90% of the computer (by upgrading) for 1/2 the cost, I'd prefer to go that route. I'm mostly using it for gaming with a little bit of work stuff (Revit/CAD/etc)

This is the current setup:

Asus P-5B mobo
Core 2 Duo 3.16ghz
4 gb Buffalo Firestix DDR2 1066mhz
GeForce 9800 GT 512MB
7200rpm 320gb sata HD
FSP 450W power supply <-- hrmm that might need to go as well



My first suggestion is to reinstall your operating system. Clean install with all the current drivers will show it in its best light. If that is still not good enough consider option 2.

Option 2 would be to buy a new computer (put it together yourself if you can obviously). Upgrading your current PC is not a good idea. I say this because for use you say gaming with a little bit of work. This only applies if you plan on going with an Intel Sandy Bridge cpu (as current AMD cpus would not net you a noticeable difference apart from the times where you could use a quad core). 4GB is enough for most cases. A 9800GT is still decent.


You didn't say what resolution you are using or what games you play (and if you really want max detail). Just start by doing a clean Win install and gauge it from there. If you want to build new join slickdeals and start looking for great deals. If you are near a Microcenter you can get the 2500K (cpu) for $180. DDR3 is dirt cheap and you can find deals on good videocards (like the GTX 460 and Radeon 6850) for slightly over $100 if you are OK with rebates/selling software.


A SSD would not noticeably help you in gaming apart from loading levels quicker.

A current mid range (or higher) videocard would be held back somewhat/a lot by your current cpu (depending on the game of course)
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umm, the "newest" processors came out six months ago. The i7/triple channel you are talking about is the previous generation.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4626/i...ridgee-pricing
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I guess another thing to consider is I won't have $1000 to drop on a new system for at least a year.

As far as use goes, I'm currently playing X3, MS Flight Simulator X and Arma II mostly. Don't need turbo ultra extreme graphics settings, just want games to run smooth. I run at monitor native, which is 1440x900 I believe.
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