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Why are 2TB drives so flaky??

So, I've been wanting to purchase a 2TB internal hd for my server, and after reading all of the reviews online it seems like its a 50/50 hit or miss?

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well i'm probably talking out of my ass here...but

have you considered that spindle disc tech has simply started to reach its limits?

it's not the only piece of tech as far as pcs go that's starting to push it. shrink the transistor any more and you're going run into a whole bunch of quantum fucked upedness...
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So, I've been wanting to purchase a 2TB internal hd for my server, and after reading all of the reviews online it seems like its a 50/50 hit or miss?

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only decent ones i found were Samsung F4s. As you noted, everything else blows monkeys
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only decent ones i found were Samsung F4s. As you noted, everything else blows monkeys

I have 4x 1TB WD Green Drives, and currently all of the 2TB WD Green Drive blow chunks.
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well i'm probably talking out of my ass here...but

have you considered that spindle disc tech has simply started to reach its limits?

it's not the only piece of tech as far as pcs go that's starting to push it. shrink the transistor any more and you're going run into a whole bunch of quantum fucked upedness...

True, I know they has Advanced Format Drives, but still WTF!!!
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I have 4x 1TB WD Green Drives, and currently all of the 2TB WD Green Drive blow chunks.
yep, my #1 raid server is filled with wd green 1tbs, 20 of em, theyre great. The 2tbs suck so bad they arent even an option
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well i'm probably talking out of my ass here...but

have you considered that spindle disc tech has simply started to reach its limits?

it's not the only piece of tech as far as pcs go that's starting to push it. shrink the transistor any more and you're going run into a whole bunch of quantum fucked upedness...

Exactly. But I've been saying that all along..
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yeah... thats not how microelectronics works.

Sure at smaller nm paths you get increased gate leakage and other challenges (that are resolved by stuff like SOI and thin film), but transistors dont talk to eachother, they just dont talk as well.

Hard drive tech isnt even anywhere near the limit of physics as you know, it doesnt even use transistors....
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yeah... thats not how microelectronics works.

Sure at smaller nm paths you get increased gate leakage and other challenges (that are resolved by stuff like SOI and thin film), but transistors dont talk to eachother, they just dont talk as well.

Hard drive tech isnt even anywhere near the limit of physics as you know, it doesnt even use transistors....

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freea...rnumber=777348

as far as the drives go. vertical drives may be getting too aggressive or several drive makers may be using the same heads.
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shrink the transistor any more and you're going run into a whole bunch of quantum fucked upedness...

no. the fucking core i7 is not flirting with the subatomic world
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yeah... thats not how microelectronics works.

Sure at smaller nm paths you get increased gate leakage and other challenges (that are resolved by stuff like SOI and thin film), but transistors dont talk to eachother, they just dont talk as well.

Hard drive tech isnt even anywhere near the limit of physics as you know, it doesnt even use transistors....

in the short run sure, in the long run it'll get worse and worse.

hasn't intel said that a working quantum logic gate will at one point be necessary to continue moor's law?
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http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freea...rnumber=777348

as far as the drives go. vertical drives may be getting too aggressive or several drive makers may be using the same heads.
yeah, i know theyre having bit-flipping issues if thats what your link is about, but thats head issue rather than a scale issue
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no. the fucking core i7 is not flirting with the subatomic world

yeah they're not right now. but in the long term is a legitimate concern. way to misconstrue my posts as always you fucking moron
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no. the fucking core i7 is not flirting with the subatomic world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-k_dielectric

see tunneling
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yeah they're not right now. but in the long term is a legitimate concern. way to misconstrue my posts as always you fucking moron
you start running into serious concern at 6nm and below. But theres a larger challenge before then, masks cant project shit that small, water diffraction got us to 32 and below, but that peters out below 11.

edit: with sub-surface vias though, we're getting a lot closer to good 3d solutions, where we can build up rather than out and wont need to shrink chips so much while maintaining small die sizes.
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