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did you actually splice two articles together in order to present that quote? I didn't think that even you would stoop that low but Google indicates that you did, unless you want to provide a link?

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As to the second part. Your pretty attempt to seem less ignorant does not get you very far when GASP the 1918 pandemic when our medicine was far less STILL HAD SINGLE DIGIT MORTALITY % compared to the 60% of the current one.

There's not enough good data to indicate the 1918 mortality rate, we don't even have a good grasp on how many people died as a result of it, much less how many experienced it in the first place.

And, the Doctor that lead the very treatment study you just posted a quote about gives his theory on the high mortality rate:

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Dr. de Jong said there could be several explanations: the throat swabs could have picked up virus coughed up from the lungs. Different receptors are spread up and down the breathing tract. And it is possible — though unproved — that some people may simply be born with receptors more amenable to the virus. That theory has been offered by epidemiologists who note that, even in villages where all the chickens are sick, human outbreaks tend to cluster in families.
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Keep flailing around like a retard with a hole in his drool cup when you get caught out over and over. It's amusing

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what happened to mad cow is that meat cutting techniques were changed by law to keep neural tissue out of the consumer pipeline.

Just like advanced vaccines have been introduced to protect farm birds from becoming infected with H5N1. You really are a dumbass.
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Just like advanced vaccines have been introduced to protect farm birds from becoming infected with H5N1. You really are a dumbass.


You are not that bright are you?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzootic


and the drugs that work in birds on the pre crossover virus will likely do didly squat against the altered strain that can pass human to human.

If the treatment of flu was as advanced as you braindead view of it thinks it is we would not have 30k people a year die from the normal stains in the US each year

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Resistance to Antiviral Medications:

In the United States, two classes of antiviral drugs are approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use in treating or preventing influenza virus infections: neuraminidase inhibitors (oseltamivir and zanamivir) and adamantanes (amantadine and rimantidine). During the 2007--08 influenza season, a small increase in the number of influenza viruses resistant to the neuraminidase inhibitor oseltamivir was observed

Thanks for proving you are a complete idiot again.

Keep flailing around like a retard with a hole in his drool cup when you get caught out over and over. It's amusing


Now I will let someone else slap your stupid ass around for awhile.
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You are not that bright are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzootic

and the drugs that work in birds on the pre crossover virus will likely do didly squat against the altered strain that can pass human to human.

Less infected farm birds = less risk of humans handling infected farm birds = less risk of catastrophic crossover.

Furthermore, human drugs have already been proven to beat H5N1 as long as treatment happens early enough. That was what the study you posted a quote about above proved.

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Avian flu kills in much the same way the global flu pandemic of 1918 did, by drowning victims in fluid produced in their own lungs, a new study has found. The study also suggests that immediate treatment with antiviral drugs is crucial, because the virus reproduces so quickly that, if not suppressed within the first 48 hours, it tends to push victims into a rapid decline to death.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/11/world/11flu.html

Now take a moment and read that one again, since I know you're a little slow.
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Less infected farm birds = less risk of humans handling infected farm birds = less risk of catastrophic crossover.

Furthermore, human drugs have already been proven to beat H5N1 as long as treatment happens early enough. That was what the study you posted a quote about above proved.

Two things. Science in general, but one study specifically, "proves" nothing. It indicates/supports.

Further, I was unaware that "Less infected farm birds = less risk of humans handling infected farm birds = less risk of catastrophic crossover." means that there is no reason to pay attention. I guess in your bizzaro world less risk is just as good as no risk.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand, a globally catastrophic disease is inevitable, currently this is the number one contender even if its chances are quite slim. If do not care about it then shut the fuck up and ignore those who do. Trying to discourage anyone from caring about it is beyond retarded. It would be quite scary if you are not trolling.
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Two things. Science in general, but one study specifically, "proves" nothing. It indicates/supports.

Further, I was unaware that "Less infected farm birds = less risk of humans handling infected farm birds = less risk of catastrophic crossover." means that there is no reason to pay attention. I guess in your bizzaro world less risk is just as good as no risk.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand, a globally catastrophic disease is inevitable, currently this is the number one contender even if its chances are quite slim. If do not care about it then shut the fuck up and ignore those who do. Trying to discourage anyone from caring about it is beyond retarded. It would be quite scary if you are not trolling.

And since there is no way to determine in what bird population a full crossover mutates in farm birds do not matter. Handling farm birds does not make flu virus mutate. smack braindeadstudent around some more.
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Two things. Science in general, but one study specifically, "proves" nothing. It indicates/supports.

My point is that medical science has been a small step ahead of H5N1 for a while now.

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Further, I was unaware that "Less infected farm birds = less risk of humans handling infected farm birds = less risk of catastrophic crossover." means that there is no reason to pay attention. I guess in your bizzaro world less risk is just as good as no risk.

I never said that less risk is no risk but if vaccines are capable of eliminating the primary vector for human infection then it's time to stop panicking about the supposed inevitability of a catastrophic pandemic and start figuring out how to get these treatments into the SE Asian homes where people live with their chickens.

I have never argued we should ignore the risk of dangerous emergent bugs, but I am convinced that the type of panic displayed by some in this thread is unjustified and really serves the interests of no one but the news media and pharma firms.

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I don't understand what is so hard to understand, a globally catastrophic disease is inevitable, currently this is the number one contender even if its chances are quite slim. If do not care about it then shut the fuck up and ignore those who do. Trying to discourage anyone from caring about it is beyond retarded. It would be quite scary if you are not trolling.

Except I'm arguing that you are wrong. A globally catastrophic disease is not inevitable. Like I've pointed out above, we have nearly perfected global disease monitoring, we have had huge advances in medical science, drug treatments that prevent and beat the "number one contender" as you say.

All of these factors came into play against SARS and were successful. Plus you can see the difference that these types of advances make in terms of beating flu pandemics as well. Spanish Flu killed nearly 100M people according to some estimates, just 50 years later the Hong Kong Flu went global, infected over 50M people in the US alone but killed less than 2M people globally. That's a huge difference in only have a century of medical research and advances which have grown exponentially since then.

I'm not saying not to pay attention and be aware of risks, I'm saying the panic is unjustified. I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp.
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And since there is no way to determine in what bird population a full crossover mutates in farm birds do not matter. Handling farm birds does not make flu virus mutate. smack braindeadstudent around some more.

Why don't you list some other common examples of people being in constant close contact with birds then, because it doesn't seem like there's too many other opportunities for a crossover to take place outside of poultry handling.

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According to Sir David King, telling the world that a global flu pandemic is inevitable is totally misleading. Sir David said the likelihood of the H5N1 virus mutating into a human-transmissible virus is very low.

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For the virus to make a person sick it has to reach deep down in the lungs - a very difficult task (for the virus). Most human flu viruses infect the upper-respiratory tract. H5N1 infects deep down in the lower-respiratory tract. For people to become sick, they need to surround themselves with a huge number of bird flu viruses so that some of them manage to make their way down into the lower-respiratory tract. For that to happen, you have to spend a long time in the presence of sick birds, handling them.

If a H5N1 infected person coughs or sneezes, hardly any of the viruses are expelled (because they are so deep down). That is why it is virtually impossible for one human to make another one ill with bird flu.

For the virus to spread easily among humans, it needs to change (mutate) so that it infects the upper-respiratory tract (nearer the throat). However, if it does this, because it would located further up, it would be much easier to treat.
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pigeons

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Sir david is wrong. It was the upper respiratory bleeding that killed the 1918 pandemic victims.

He is correct that the flu pandemic is not inevitable It may never do a full cross or be so benign when it does that it will be just another flu variant. His statement that the likelihood is very low is misleading at best. Especially since it has already done human to human transmission in at least one known group.

but we cant expect braindead student to understand that.


Thanks for proving you are a complete idiot again.

Keep flailing around like a retard with a hole in his drool cup when you get caught out over and over. It's amusing
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Baxter H5N1 Contamination: Causes were a unique combination of process, technical and human errors

Since we started our coverage of the Baxter-Contamination Story in Europe shares of the big pharmaceutical company in Deerfield, IL have lost more more than 8 percent in two days, as a look at Google Finance reveals. Baxter's Chief of Communications in the US, Christopher Bona, supported our idea for an exclusive interview, so Jutta Brenn-Vogt, Manager Communications at Baxter Deutschland GmbH explained LifeGen.de what really happened with H5N1, and how security measures - not only at Baxter - should work on a global scale.


LifeGen.de: How and when did Baxter find out about the contamination?



Brenn-Vogt: A suspicion concerning a potential contamination arose at AVIR Greenhills' contracted lab in the Czech Republic during the late afternoon of Friday, February 6. Baxter was then notified by AVIR Greenhills about this situation in three locations (Slovenia, Czech Republic, Austria) during the early evening of Friday, February 6. The last notification was on February 17 from AVIR Greenhills regarding a laboratory in Germany.

LifeGen.de: Promed mentions H5N1 and/or H3N2 as contaminants. Could you describe us what exactly happened to the charges?

Brenn-Vogt: Firstly, the material that was contaminated with H5N1 was not a vaccine, but was an experimental virus material. The impacted material was made at Baxter’s facility in Orth, Austria. It was produced exclusively for laboratory testing for AVIR Greenhills. It was not used for product production or for use in humans.

The root cause of the incident has been identified. It was due to a unique combination of process, technical and human error in a procedure used for this specific research project in our facility in Austria (Orth). The chances of such a confluence of events repeating itself are virtually impossible. Cross-contamination of commercial product, clinical material or other experimental material has been absolutely excluded. The public health authorities in Austria performed an audit at Baxter’s research facility in Austria and Baxter’s corrective and preventative actions were found appropriate by the auditors. The contamination occurred only during the process for this specific research project for AVIR Greenhills in Baxter’s facility.

The employees who may have been exposed to this material have gone through a specific examination by infectious disease specialists. These people were tested or considered by disease specialists not to be at risk. The results of all performed tests were negative.

LifeGen.de: Baxter is handling H5N1 in BSL3 labs. Where is the security lack of the system? In other words: How could the charges get in European 4 countries without intention?

Brenn-Vogt: As this material was not produced for human use, testing for potential contamination is not routinely carried out. Baxter sent this material to AVIR Greenhills in Austria, they, in turn, reported to us later that they sent it to four labs with whom they contract. As explained above, this was not the result of a lack of security but it was due to a unique combination of process, technical and human error in a procedure used for this specific research project.

LifeGen.de: Do you think smaller companies like Avir Green Hills Biotechnology should handle Baxter's charges?

Brenn-Vogt: Baxter is contracted to provide influenza virus material to AVIR Greenhills for that company's use in developing their influenza vaccine. In this case, Baxter produced one component of the influenza vaccine. The individuals working with the experimental material were operating in laboratory containment conditions specifically designed to prevent exposure. We see no need to speculate on how the size of a lab had bearing on this incident.

LifeGen.de: After the Antrhrax mailings in 2001, which is no Baxter related case, but not less risky, this is the second virological contamination starting directly from the US. How will Baxter prevent future accidents like the one in Europe for the future?

Brenn-Vogt: Exposure was highly unlikely -- the individuals working with the experimental material were operating in laboratory containment conditions specifically designed to prevent exposure. All H5N1 infections that have been reported to date have been associated with direct exposure to infected poultry/birds.

As mentioned above, this incident originated in Austria, not the US. The circumstances of the contamination were a unique combination of process, technical and human errors. Cross-contamination of commercial product, clinical material or other experimental material has been absolutely excluded. The public health authorities in Austria performed an audit at Baxter’s research facility in Austria (Feb. 16) and Baxter’s corrective and preventative actions were found appropriate by the auditors. The contamination occurred only during the process for this specific research project for AVIR Greenhills in Baxter’s facility. Further details about the process will not be discussed as it is proprietary information.
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Mix-up leads to release of virulent H5N1 virus
A Baxter official said that no one was infected due to the mix up as the situation was handled at the highest level of containment. The incident, however, has not gone well with the medical community..
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H5N1 VIRUS, which is behind a number of bird flu pandemics across the world, was sent by an Australian lab to Czech Republic, where it was given to ferrets by accident. This incident posed the risk of this virus escaping into the wild and also mixing up with a human strain, which could spawn a dangerous hybrid.
As per reports, vaccine major Baxter’s Austrian branch had sent in December, a batch of human H3N2 to Avir Biotech in Austria.


However, in February, a Czech company working with Avir reported the death of ferrets inoculated with samples of H3N2. However, scientists later found that the particular sample contained live H5N1, which is used by Baxter to make vaccines. It was found that the two samples were mixed in error and could have posed a major hazard.
A Baxter official said that no one was infected due to the mix up as the situation was handled at the highest level of containment. The incident, however, has not gone well with the medical community as it warned of a disaster if such a virulent strain spreads.
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Six-year-old Egyptian boy contracts bird flu

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Monday, April 6, 2009

The Egyptian Health Ministry reported on Sunday that a six-year-old Egyptian boy contracted bird flu, the sixth such incident in a month. The child was hospitalised on March 28, reported to be in critical condition after treatment, and is breathing with an artificial respirator.
The state news agency MENA revealed that the boy's name was Ali Mahmoud Ali Somaa, and that he was from Qalyubia, a province located along the Nile Delta, located about forty kilometres north of Egypt's capital of Cairo.
The death toll of the cases of the bird flu virus in humans in Egypt is 23, with the first incident reported in March 2006.
Statistics from the World Health Organisation's (WHO) website say that 413 people in fifteen countries have been infected with the H5N1 virus; out of those, 256 have died.
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New bird flu cases suggest the danger of pandemic is rising

Infections in Egypt raise scientists' fears that virus will be spread by humans
By Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor


Sunday, 12 April 2009


First the good news: bird flu is becoming less deadly. Now the bad: scientists fear that this is the very thing that could make the virus more able to cause a pandemic that would kill hundreds of millions of people.
This paradox – emerging from Egypt, the most recent epicentre of the disease – threatens to increase the disease's ability to spread from person to person by helping it achieve the crucial mutation in the virus which could turn it into the greatest plague to hit Britain since the Black Death. Last year the Government identified the bird-flu virus, codenamed H5N1, as the biggest threat facing the country – with the potential to kill up to 750,000 Britons.
The World Health Organisation is to back an investigation into a change in the pattern of the disease in Egypt, the most seriously affected country outside Asia. Although infections have been on the rise this year, with three more reported last week, they have almost all been in children under the age of three, while 12 months ago it was mainly adults and older children who were affected. And the infections have been much milder than usual; the disease normally kills more than half of those affected; all of the 11 Egyptians so far infected this year are still alive.
Experts say that these developments make it more likely that the virus will spread. Ironically, its very virulence has provided an important safeguard. It did not get much chance to infect other people when it killed its victims swiftly, but now it has much more of a chance to mutate and be passed on.
The WHO fears that this year's rise in infections among small children, without similar cases being seen in older people, raises questions about whether adults are being infected but not falling ill, so acting as symptomless carriers of the disease. Its investigation, due to start this summer, will see if this is happening by testing the blood of people who may have been in contact with infected birds, but who have not themselves become sick.
John Jabbour, who works with WHO in Cairo, told Reuters last week: "There is something strange happening in Egypt. Why in children now and not in adults? We need to see if there are sub-clinical cases in the community." He added that if the research did find such cases, they would be the first to be discovered anywhere in the world.
Though he stressed that there was still no evidence of the disease passing from person to person, other experts are also becoming alarmed. Professor Robert Webster, of St Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee – who is the world's leading authority on the disease – told The Independent on Sunday that, while he himself had not seen firm data, the WHO in Egypt was raising "a very, very important issue" which should receive "maximum attention". He added: "I hope to hell they are wrong. If this damn thing becomes less pathogenic, it will become more transmissible."
And Professor John Oxford, of Queen Mary, University of London, said that any evidence that H5N1 was becoming less deadly would be serious, as the greatest cause for concern was the disease's ability to spread.
Even a much less virulent strain of the virus could result in a devastating pandemic. Studies show that an outbreak that killed as few as 5 per cent of those it infected could still cause hundreds of millions of deaths around the world.
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