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It doesn't justify this hysteria and ignorance at all.

But you know, i'm sure i'll be begging your forgiveness as the crowd cries before the burning corpses...

WE DIDN'T LISTEN

I think the hysteria is yet to come...and for the ignorance, well they say ignorance is bliss but in this case it could be deadly.
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Is this still a big issue? Yes or no would do fine. You can follow with commentary, but I haven't been keeping up.
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Is this still a big issue? Yes or no would do fine. You can follow with commentary, but I haven't been keeping up.

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Yeah, and a different handful results in the flu becoming absolutely harmless.

God, you sensationalist people are fucking stupid.

Ah you assume I'm an idiot, I have a Masters degree in Biology and working on my PhD in Cell and Molecular Biology.

So STFU, I wouldn't say it if it weren't true that the possiblity of us getting raped was real.
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Nice job missing my point. These people are acting as if the chances of it mutating into some supardupar disease are about 90% and completely disregarding any possibility of any mutation with adverse result.

Unless you were being sarcastic, but I think you were just being condescending.

Gee, maybe thats because you don't Have a point? The billion harmless mutations are out there. That does alter the chance that a deadly one can come next. It's not Oh it mutated in this robin and can't affect anyone does not make the original strain dissappear.

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French tourist 'catches bird flu in Thailand'
By Times Online and agencies

A 43-year-old Frenchman may have been infected with the potentially lethal bird flu virus while on holiday in Thailand, authorities said today.

NI_MPU('middle');The man returned to the Indian Ocean island of Reunion seven days ago after a week in Thailand and was admitted to hospital on Saturday, complaining of weakness and headaches.

On Monday, after he started coughing, doctors took nose and throat samples and tested them for the H5N1 bird flu strain blamed for more than 60 human deaths in Asia.

"The first was doubtful, the second positive," authorities from the French island said in a statement today, adding that there was thus a "suspicion of flu of avian origin."

If secondary tests in Paris prove conclusive, the man, who has not been named, would be the first foreign tourist to have been infected by bird flu in South-East Asia. The results should be known by the end of the week.

The World Health Organisation said that it was contacting health officials in Thailand to establish whether the patient had come into direct contact with infected flocks.

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Bird flu virus in Croatia is deadly H5N1 strain
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Wild swans at the fishpond near the eastern Croatian town of Nasice, some 150 kilometres from capital Zagreb, October 22, 2005. The bird flu virus detected in Croatia is the H5N1 strain that has killed more than 60 people in Asia, a veterinary official said, citing results from tests done at a British laboratory.

The bird flu virus detected in Croatia is the H5N1 strain that has killed more than 60 people in Asia, a veterinary official said, citing results from tests done at a British laboratory.

"The results carried out by the laboratory in Weybridge have reached us, and there is no great surprise, it is what we were expecting. It is the highly pathogenic H5N1," Vladimir Savic told a news conference on Wednesday.

Since late last week Croatian health authorities have detected two pockets of avian influenza among swans found dead in the former Yugoslav republic's rural northeast.

Samples from the first find at a lake near Zdenci village on Friday were sent to the British laboratory for testing. The second set of dead swans was discovered about 15 kilometres (nine miles) away at Nasice on Monday.

Croatian health authorities said the dead Nasice birds would not be sent to Britain for further examination because they believed the swans were from the same flock.

"All the measures which we already adopted were justified," said Savic, referring to the action authorities had taken since to destroy thousands of chickens and other poultry in the areas.

"It is because we had preliminary results within 48 hours (of the discovery of the dead swans) that we were able to prevent the spread of the disease," he said. — AFP



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Main page content:
H5N1 virus is hard for humans to catch
By Clive Cookson, Science Editor
Published: October 26 2005 03:00 | Last updated: October 26 2005 03:00
Flu in humans is overwhelmingly a respiratory disease. People catch the virus mainly by breathing in tiny droplets from the coughs and sneezes of those already infected, which can travel far further through the air than is generally realised.

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The human virus can infect people orally, for example if they touch someone with the flu or a surface contaminated with the virus and then put their fingers into their mouth, though this is not the most important means of transmission.

However, the H5N1 strain currently causing bird flu is difficult for humans to catch. The 120 or so people who have been infected in Asia have worked closely with live or recently killed poultry.

They have breathed in large amounts of the virus through dust from the bird's skin and feathers and dried droppings, and in the case of those involved in slaughtering birds for the table, have inhaled tiny droplets of contaminated blood. No human victims of bird flu are known to have acquired the disease by eating birds or eggs, though the clinical experience of avian flu is too limited to draw any firm conclusions. The virus would certainly be present in the flesh and eggs of infected birds - but perhaps not in the amounts required to cross the avian-human species barrier. The remote risk of H5N1 infection from eating birds and eggs can be eliminated by cooking them properly. Flu viruses are destroyed by heat above 70 degrees celsius - like most germs but unlike prions, the infectious agents responsible for BSE, which survive even prolonged boiling.

At present, with no avian flu known to be present in European poultry flocks, any chance of infection from domesticated birds is extremely low. This small risk comes from physical contact with birds, particularly ones that seem ill or have died recently of unknown causes. As Maria Zambon, a flu expert at the UK Health Protection Agency, said: "Avoid being in touching distance of [birds that could be affected]. Don't kiss chickens."

However, the H5N1 virus is extremely contagious for domesticated birds, spreading easily from farm to farm. Large amounts of virus are secreted in bird droppings, contaminating dust and soil. Airborne virus can spread the disease between birds. Contaminated equipment, vehicles, feed, cages or clothing carry the virus from farm to farm. It can also be carried on the feet and bodies of animals, such as rodents, which act as "mechanical vectors" for spreading the disease.

Droppings from infected wild birds can introduce the virus into poultry flocks. The risk is greatest where domestic birds roam freely, share a water supply with wild birds or use a supply that might become contaminated by droppings from infected wild birds.
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Flu drug shipments to U.S. suspended


LINDSEY TANNER

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CHICAGO - Amid worries about bird flu, demand for a flu medicine is so extreme that the drug's maker has stopped shipping it to private U.S. suppliers just as consumers fret over whether they should try to stock up on the drug.

Tamiflu, a prescription drug designed to treat regular flu, is running scarce because of worries the bird flu in Asia might morph into a contagious human flu that circles the globe.

Tamiflu's maker, Roche Holding AG in Switzerland, said Thursday it was temporarily suspending U.S. shipment because of increased global demand. Company officials have previously said they are limiting supplies to pharmacies to thwart hoarding.

But there are signs that is happening.

"We've seen recently some very large purchases at the wholesale level, companies or large entities who are possibly hoarding Tamiflu right now," said Darien Wilson, spokeswoman at Roche's U.S. offices in Nutley, N.J.

Prescriptions for the drug last week were nearly quadruple what they were a year before, according to Verispan, a Pennsylvania-based company that monitors pharmacy sales. Some health departments and doctors' groups are urging consumers, doctors and even school districts not to stockpile the drug.

And this winter's flu season hasn't even started yet.

"The priority is that there is enough Tamiflu for the people who need it at the start of the influenza season," said Roche spokesman Alexander Klauser. "At the moment, there is no influenza currently circulating."

Meanwhile, the U.S. government isn't giving advice on whether people should have a stash of Tamiflu, just in case bird flu triggers a human pandemic.

"Those are questions that are under discussion," said Christina Pearson, spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. "Right now we're focused on the seasonal flu."

HHS includes the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, whose job includes public health recommendations. The agency's silence on the issue of hoarding has frustrated some local health departments.

"A lot of people have asked the CDC to provide some guidance about this, with patients asking doctors for prescriptions," said Dr. Craig Conover, medical director for the Illinois Department of Public Health.

Personal hoarding isn't fair, he said, "but on the other hand, I have heard people say that the more this gets used, the more manufacturing ability they'll develop. We've chosen to wait for CDC guidance on this."

Tamiflu is the drug most people are asking about since it seems to offer some protection to people against the type of flu that has devastated Asian poultry flocks and is spreading to birds in Europe. Bird flu has killed more than 60 people over the past two years.

Maura Robbins of Chicago said she and her husband have discussed whether to seek prescriptions for their two young children as a precaution. They won't for now, because they "didn't want to buy into the hysteria or overreact," Robbins said.

Dr. Bennett Kaye, a pediatrician affiliated with Chicago's Children's Memorial Hospital, said he tells patients that stocking up on Tamiflu "is definitely a bad, bad idea."

"Parents should not be worried about their kids catching bird flu this year unless they're planning on visiting a chicken farm in Vietnam," Kaye said. "If we keep using Tamiflu like it's in the tap water, then it's going to lose its effectiveness."

The virus circulating among Asian birds is not spreading between people and is not even very easy for people to catch from birds.

"This is not a concern for the person on the street," Kaye said.

Published reports suggest that some doctors are keeping supplies of Tamiflu to give to family and friends in case the bird flu mutates into a bigger threat to people, but no doctors reached for this story admitted that.

The American Medical Association is against personal stockpiling and says the misuse of Tamiflu could lead to drug-resistant flu strains.

The American Academy of Pediatrics is preparing a statement urging pediatricians "not to do personal or organizational stockpiles," said Dr. John Bradley, a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics' infectious disease committee. "The last sentence of the statement is that no pediatrician on this committee has a personal stockpile or is prescribing the drug" for healthy people.

"It would be nice to have a personal stockpile, but I believe that the disadvantage for society is so much greater than my own personal interest in staying well," Bradley said.

Dr. Deborah Yokoe, an infectious disease specialist at Boston's Brigham and Women's Hospital, said, "Doctors are human, too. They have the same sorts of anxieties themselves. I'm sure some are keeping supplies, too."

Last week, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health issued a notice advising against personal stockpiling, prompted by patients' questions, and Yokoe said such messages will discourage some doctors from writing advance prescriptions for a potential flu pandemic.

Dr. Nick Tsoulos, a San Diego pediatrician, said he gave similar advice to several local schools that asked about getting advance supplies for students.

"There are a number of pitfalls," Tsoulos said. People likely would use the drugs for "a little runny nose or a cough," he said, rather than the flu.

Tamiflu isn't the only hot commodity being sought because of pandemic worries.

Kimberly-Clark Health Care says it has "ramped up to full capacity" face mask production to keep up with bird flu-linked demand from governments, hospitals and individuals. Surgical N-95 masks protect against airborne disease transmission.

Company spokesman David Parks declined to specify numbers but said some orders have been 50 times higher than usual.

3M spokeswoman Jacqueline Berry also reported a rise in face-mask orders but said reasons for demand include hurricane-related mold problems.

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Associated Press writers Bradley S. Klapper in Geneva and Adam Goldman in New York contributed to this report.

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On the Web:

CDC: http://www.cdc.gov
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Bird Flu May Have Made its Way to the Negev (Israel)

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(IsraelNN.com) Health experts were called into the northern Negev community of Hora after discovering many chickens had died of no apparent cause.

Specimens were taken for examination, with local residents fearing they may be the first documented case of bird flu in Israel.

Earlier on Thursday lab technicians indicated they were still unable to announce a conclusive cause of death. They are also unable to definitely rule out bird flu at this stage, explaining only upon completion of extensive testing can a cause of death be announced with a modicum of certainty.

Last week, Health Minister Danny Naveh stated the potentially fatal illness making its way around the world would most likely strike Israel by month’s end.
Here is a thread all about it making it to Israel.
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The following which I linked a few days ago is why that is very very bad.
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HONG KONG (Reuters) - A 12-year-old girl has died suffering flu-like symptoms in a village in central China where the mainland's third outbreak of bird flu in a week has been reported, the South China Morning Post said on Thursday.

If confirmed, it would be China's first known human death from bird flu which experts across the world fear could mutate to spread easily from human to human and become a pandemic.


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this from http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=2167892005


Flu panic hits China's poultry sales

NICHOLAS CHRISTIAN


POULTRY sales in China's biggest cities have plummeted by 80% as anxiety over a bird flu epidemic has reached new heights in the Far East.

In Vietnam, two people who died after developing bird-flu-type symptoms were buried before their illnesses could be identified in a further sign that panic is taking hold.


Although there is no evidence that humans can catch the virus through properly cooked poultry, sales at Shanghai and Beijing's biggest poultry market have plunged, sending merchants into despair.

"My income has been cut in half since the bird flu panic started," said merchant Xu Min. Health officials say the main cause of human infections is direct contact with poultry in slaughtering and butchering, or surfaces contaminated by their droppings. In Vietnam yesterday, officials announced that the cause of the deaths of the two bird-flu suspects might never be known because no samples were taken before they were buried.

A 14-year-old girl died in central Quang Binh province on October 23 and a 26-year-old man died in the same province on Thursday, said Nguyen Duc Hanh, a doctor at the hospital where they were treated.
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