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*sigh*

I guess I'm a TWOOFER and you're all COINCIDENCE theorists.

Here we have Jane, saying WTC7 has collapsed... with it standing behind her -- feed mysteriously disappears when the building is about to come tumbling down.
Benazer Buttah the Democratic representative for pakistan mentioned bin laden was dead on BBC a month before she was assassinated, doesn't mean there's a huge conspiracy

The excuse by your lot was, "Oh she's British, she wouldn't know the Solomon Brothers building (WTC7)."
No, it's not that she's british, its that she fucked up what she was going to say. Nothing more nothing less

Well... there's always CNN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LetB0z8_o

You can't do this unless the info was fed over the wire early.
SO?
Whilst on WTC7...

http://www.truthring.org/wp-content/...mages/wtc7.gif

Examine the collapse again... it falls the same way as the Towers, and wasn't hit by a Plane. NIST claimed Fire Damage brought it down, then retracted it.
No shit, this was already discussed earlier in the thread and it's called mother fucking concrete.


Anyone still with their head in the sand with this matter is an absolute fool. Have you actually looked at the world lately? Unbelievable levels of ignorance, are any of you even aware of how much 9/11 truth and that whole movement has grown over the last few years? Or are you still busy calling people "Twoofers" like the little infants you are?
The world didn't magically become shitty after 9/11 IT WAS ALWAYS SHITTY. It just changes its course. Life's not easy fun or magical, it's a shit hole.

Rescue me is a big programme in the states doing a 9/11 season by the looks of it, from both sides, those who agree and those who disagree.
who fucking cares

The next person who points me to a Popular Mechanics article (search term: yellow journalism) or 9/11 debunked is clearly beyond help. If they'd take five minutes of their precious time to investigate some of the claims (not all, there are kooks around -- i.e NO PLANES) they'd be in for a shock how almost everything politically is geared towards an ultimate goal, which is a One World Government / One World Currency (have a look at the state of your economy right now and have a listen to what politicians both sides of the pond are calling for).
Blah blah Alex Jones makes money off of fools like you who believe his

How do you explain the days before 9/11, billions missing, then not a peep? Or the immediate shipment of the WTC wreckage? How do you explain no investigations to the BIGGEST crime of human history? Why is Bin Laden not wanted for 9/11? How do you explain the merciless slaughter of Iraqi Civilians? What the HELL did Iraq have to do with 9/11? Where are the WMD's? Blood for oil war for the Bush clan (the dead give away of American ignorance, is this idiot was voted in twice by the public)? How do you explain the patriot act and the raping of your Constitution and Bill of Rights right under your noses?
Uhh, this has been happening around the world for centuries in different ways and forms. Unchecked Governments and Unchecked people will take as much as t hey can... there's profit to be made in war

Problem-Reaction-Solution. Governments DO kill, and just because it's America -- don't think for a second they wouldn't do it to their own citizens for justifications for massive change. (Google PNAC document where Dick Cheney suggested they need a "New Pearl Harbour" catalyzing event to bring about massive socio-political change.)
So? That doesn't mean they engineered and hatched the plan.

You're all intelligent enough you'll figure it out eventually. What exactly is so mind-boggling that powerful rich connected families who have been in power a VERY long time, get together and make plans? You conspire with friends to go out, how is this any different? Evil does exist, and it typically exists in high places of power. Rome ended up with the same demise when that idiot Caligula made his horse a senator.
Families in power have nothing to do with 911

And please, stop hiding behind "Bush is a monkey how could he organise 9/11 " mantra.
You can't even spell organize, how can we trust anything you read and then crap out here. Your tard smiley fits nicely for you here

It isn't called "the big picture" for nothing. Your presidents since Kennedy have been puppet frontmen for the same organisation of power behind the throne, do the research, it's not like I'm suggesting this from thin air -- these people actually DOCUMENT what they do knowing you won't take the time to thoroughly look in to it.
Kennedy was opposed to the Feds and many other items
And an honest question -- the Government proclaimed "No Prior Knowledge" to prevent the 9/11 attacks from happening.
Yea, the most they could have known was the FAA seeing planes going off course

Can I ask this with HONESTY and I do want a good answer as I've yet to get one -- how can a guy from Austin 3 months before it (and William Cooper) predict the event by naming the target and enemy -- but the Government/CIA/FBI didn't.
A thousand guessers will always have right answers (But 99% of the others will be wrong)

Few last things -- 9/11 truth was actually mostly started by victims families who fully support an investigation. The guys at wearechange.org are trying to help first responders who the gov. doesn't give a FUCK about.
no shit, they want answers and they can't get any so they'll find them in anyway possible, IE: Huge conspiracy

Let's be honest guys, these people aren't exploiting anyone -- they're seeking justice against a horrendous crime. They aren't perfect and aren't saints, but at least respect people for trying to point out that corruption and evil of this magnitude do exist, and they are in power.

Evil and corruption have always existed. I get what you're trying to say but it's all coincidence, luck and random...
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Listen you little shit, it's not that we haven't bothered to examine the ridiculous claims, it is that we have spent years of our lives doing so and found the truther claims lacking in substance, plausibility, and BASIC FUCKING EVIDENCE.

You can play all the damn clips of the day you want, that doesn't prove anything. WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane, it was hit by a 100 story sky scraper. And they figured out that is was going to fail earlier in the day and had evacuated it and told the media about it. And yes it fell the same way, DOWN. Large buildings pretty much have no choice but to fall DOWN because of GRAVITY. Were you expecting it to fall up? I bet you have never even read any of the NIST reports on WTC7.

Alex Jones Didn't predict SHIT. He was just doing the same thing he had ALWAYS done. Sell the idea of government conspiracies to those willing to buy them. That is how he makes his money. The 9/11 truth movement is Alex Jones bread and butter and people like you are making him wealthier than he ever dreamed he would be.

How could anyone predict that a building that was already attacked once would be attacked again? Gee, I dunno, maybe because it was not a secret that terrorists wanted to knock down the twin towers. They had stated it publicly many times. You didn't have to be a fucking psychic to predict that, all you needed to do was be paying attention.

The first people calling for an investigation were the families but then you retards came running to the rescue with all your ridiculous 9/11 fan fiction conspiracy theories and thanks to you nut ball jackasses now anyone who actually wants to investigate the real questions still left unanswered about 9/11 has to first explain that they are not a flaming crackpot like you god damn 9/11 truther idiots. You aren't interested in asking questions or what the answers might be anyway, you fucking assholes think you know it all already and you just want to yell at all the sheeple who aren't interested in your bullshit.

There are plenty of unanswered questions about 9/11 but none of them have to do with windowless planes or thermite or controlled demolition or any of the other completely retarded ass shit you fucking truther monkeys are always blathering about with your high school dropout level understanding of basic physics, structural and material science.

It's not about Bush or what that baboon could or couldn't organize. There is no question that he used the events of 9/11 to push his agenda but no one can organize a secret plot involving what would have been millions of people and keep it a complete secret. That's what you truthers don't seem to understand. The shit you come up with to try and explain the grand conspiracy theory of 9/11 is COMPLETELY IMPLAUSIBLE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. But you don't seem to get it so I'm likely just wasting more of my valuable time trying to explain this shit to you.

As far as I am concerned you truthers have done more to cover up and obfuscate the real issues surrounding 9/11 than any government conspiracy could have ever done.

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Listen you little shit, it's not that we haven't bothered to examine the ridiculous claims, it is that we have spent years of our lives doing so and found the truther claims lacking in substance, plausibility, and BASIC FUCKING EVIDENCE.

You can play all the damn clips of the day you want, that doesn't prove anything. WTC7 wasn't hit by a plane, it was hit by a 100 story sky scraper. And they figured out that is was going to fail earlier in the day and had evacuated it and told the media about it. And yes it fell the same way, DOWN. Large buildings pretty much have no choice but to fall DOWN because of GRAVITY. Were you expecting it to fall up? I bet you have never even read any of the NIST reports on WTC7.

Alex Jones Didn't predict SHIT. He was just doing the same thing he had ALWAYS done. Sell the idea of government conspiracies to those willing to buy them. That is how he makes his money. The 9/11 truth movement is Alex Jones bread and butter and people like you are making him wealthier than he ever dreamed he would be.

How could anyone predict that a building that was already attacked once would be attacked again? Gee, I dunno, maybe because it was not a secret that terrorists wanted to knock down the twin towers. They had stated it publicly many times. You didn't have to be a fucking psychic to predict that, all you needed to do was be paying attention.

The first people calling for an investigation were the families but then you retards came running to the rescue with all your ridiculous 9/11 fan fiction conspiracy theories and thanks to you nut ball jackasses now anyone who actually wants to investigate the real questions still left unanswered about 9/11 has to first explain that they are not a flaming crackpot like you god damn 9/11 truther idiots. You aren't interested in asking questions or what the answers might be anyway, you fucking assholes think you know it all already and you just want to yell at all the sheeple who aren't interested in your bullshit.

There are plenty of unanswered questions about 9/11 but none of them have to do with windowless planes or thermite or controlled demolition or any of the other completely retarded ass shit you fucking truther monkeys are always blathering about with your high school dropout level understanding of basic physics, structural and material science.

It's not about Bush or what that baboon could or couldn't organize. There is no question that he used the events of 9/11 to push his agenda but no one can organize a secret plot involving what would have been millions of people and keep it a complete secret. That's what you truthers don't seem to understand. The shit you come up with to try and explain the grand conspiracy theory of 9/11 is COMPLETELY IMPLAUSIBLE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. But you don't seem to get it so I'm likely just wasting more of my valuable time trying to explain this shit to you.

As far as I am concerned you truthers have done more to cover up and obfuscate the real issues surrounding 9/11 than any government conspiracy could have ever done.

Good Day, Sir.

I consider myself a normal, heterosexual male... but suddenly I want to be a woman and have your babies. Well spoken. Just don't count on the usual truther fools to listen, because they never will regardless of what garbage they spew. It's why holocaust denial STILL exists and why 9/11 crap will be repeated 100 years from now.
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Stan: Jesus Christ!
Donald Rumsfeld: Ha ha ha. He died like a pig.
George W. Bush: Some pigs never learned.
Kyle: No, way.
Stan: He was right, you did cause 9-11.
George W. Bush: Yes. Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted at the base of the towers, then on 9-11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives and shot down all the witnesses in Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the pentagon with a cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever, ever.
Kyle: [disbelieving] Really?
Stan: Why?
George W. Bush: The oldest reason in the world: money. The towers fell and the American sheeple all waved their flags. Finally we could invade Iraq and get the oil which made us all even richer than before.
Donald Rumsfeld: Beautiful money. Ha ha ha!
Kyle: [even more disbelieving] Really?
Stan: Is the whole government in on this?
George W. Bush: We are all knowing and all powerful. Good-bye boys.


Lol it just makes people feel better when they think the only threat to them is their godlike government.
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I'm sorry if I went a little overboard there but I'm fed up with the insufferable smugness of truthers spouting off their ridiculous theories with gaps in logic and physics so large you could drive a Costco through them. We are not the fools with our heads in the sand. You guys keep bringing us the same theories we have already decimated time and time again with verifiable facts and expect us to look at the same thing for the umpteenth time and suddenly agree with it. It's not going to happen.

Unless you guys are willing to update your theories to take reality into account, your arguments are best saved for those web sites that serve as truther circle jerks because they will never be taken seriously in the main stream.

I am sorry for any name calling I did, I usually don't do that. I was just venting. Please don't take it personally.
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so i guess if the building collapsed without controlled demolition, it'd fall over like a tree or something?
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so i guess if the building collapsed without controlled demolition, it'd fall over like a tree or something?

I have had to explain why that wouldn't happen before...



And I have even pointed out that the top of the south tower did achieve quite a lean angle when it failed but it still fell pretty much straight down because it couldn't just roll off the top of the rest of the building like in a cartoon.



Sometimes the understanding of how things work really just isn't there. I'm pretty sure there are still truther pages out there that wonder why the buildings didn't fall over sideways like a cut tree because they don't understand the concept that the WTC towers were 90+% air by volume and not a solid 110 story tall chunk of wood that someone cut down like a logger would.
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I have had to explain why that wouldn't happen before...



And I have even pointed out that the top of the south tower did achieve quite a lean angle when it failed but it still fell pretty much straight down because it couldn't just roll off the top of the rest of the building like in a cartoon.



Sometimes the understanding of how things work really just isn't there. I'm pretty sure there are still truther pages out there that wonder why the buildings didn't fall over sideways like a cut tree because they don't understand that the concept that the WTC towers were 90+% air by volume and not a solid 110 story tall chunk of wood that someone cut down like a logger would.
i cant believe this needed an explanation. though i guess their main argument is that the towers shouldn't have collapsed at all. i found a study done by Purdue that confirms the official story. the only rebuttals focus on the evil government connections the researchers had, but then they use FEMA reports to counter it! FEMA as a major govt agency would be integral to any conspiracy, but here they're the independent whistleblower? and this is the same FEMA that botched Katrina! in the FEMA reports it looks like a combination of poor wording (reports probably written by non-engineers) and some small event disagreements that are irrelevant to the physics. and ultimately, the truthers never counter the Purdue study's reasoning, methods or science. they're just like OMG GOVT FUNDING. is every govt funded study now worthless?

what strikes me is that among all of the truthers, even those who are engineers, is the lack of scientific rigor. their arguments boil down to not "it couldn't have happened like that because of science," but actually, "they're lying about their science, so here's our side which you should accept based on cute thought-experiments and horribly simplified structural engineering." they're obviously bankrupt in quantitative evidence, and all that's left effecting their beliefs is the old, "evil, lying, govt." why? who knows. it's fun to be the rebel dissident though.

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Also, I want to apologize to anyone who still finds these images or videos disturbing. I was not personally affected by 9/11 and I have seen these images and videos so many times that I sometimes treat them with the non-emotion that an undertaker might treat another corpse.

But on the other hand that is also what gives my words some of their emotion. Take a good long look at that photo of the south tower failing. That picture represents a moment in time just before thousands of souls were snuffed out by a horrendous mass of steel, concrete, and glass crashing to earth with the force of a small nuclear explosion.

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i cant believe this needed an explanation.
It's enough to make you cry if the harsh reality of the world we live in hasn't hardened you enough already...
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I thought you considered tertiary education to be a crock and unable to cultivate creativity and personal identity in our society?

You goddamn hypocrite

FRAUUUUDDD

wtf does 911 have to do with cultivating creativity and personal identity
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Do people hate Bush THAT BAD that they just don't want it to be a terrorist attack? Why do you keep defending Islamic extremists who want you dead?

Get a fucking clue! Muslims did it!

And god FUCKING damn, how the hell could Bush do this when you kep claiming he's a moronic chimpanzee? Dumb people don't plan shit like this! Either he's a retard or he's a super-genius, NOT BOTH!

But you know what, the American population is so damn stupid, I pray daily for more Al-Queda attacks. A few thousand less of you would be a good thing!

woah there turbo, thats way outta left field

no one has said anything about bush doing it

the collapse was from internal explosives
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To all of you who arguing.

You need not that many words.

JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE



straight down. it was controlled demolition

PPS this was not supposed to go in the pit

I DID NOT MAKE THIS A PIT THREAD SOMEONE ELSE MOVED IT
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P.S

To all of you who arguing.

You need not that many words.


JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURE

Perhaps you are right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity
http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

+ YouTube Video
ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.


JUST LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!
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PPS this was not supposed to go in the pit

I DID NOT MAKE THIS A PIT THREAD SOMEONE ELSE MOVED IT
Wasn't me. I'm happy to serve up the ownage in any forum you choose.

Still, it was probably in your favor as less people will see this ridiculous rehash of an old argument now.

/surly with alcohol

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