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No, they like injecting 7 year old girls with plutonium. And giving pregnant women radioactive iron and then coming back in 8 years to see how fucked up the kid is.

What?
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What?

The last plutonium case on record is from 1972 conducted on a 7 year old girl. They were picking people at random and having doctors secretly inject plutonium to study the effects and search for a maximum safe level. They found there was no safe level.



About 12 years ago on page three of the newspaper, the University of Rochester apologized for their part in the plutonium experiments. At that time there was only one survivor of the experiments.




http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Und.../9780415928359


http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sc...ay/058352.html
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The last plutonium case on record is from 1972 conducted on a 7 year old girl. They were picking people at random and having doctors secretly inject plutonium to study the effects and search for a maximum safe level. They found there was no safe level.



About 12 years ago on page three of the newspaper, the University of Rochester apologized for their part in the plutonium experiments. At that time there was only one survivor of the experiments.




http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Und.../9780415928359


http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/neur-sc...ay/058352.html

Holy Fuck. You know what my father's health insurance company did to him?

Denied him care after 20 years of paying into the system because he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.



You realize that the healthcare debate is about the money, not the care, right? Insurance companies deny care to maximize profits, none of which actually go back into providing better healthcare.
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It's funny that Morlock thinks that an isolated case of plutonium injections over 30 years ago trumps the 1.4 million americans who foreclose on their homes every year due to costs of health care.


I'd trust the government over a private insurance company any day. Look at England. Fucking with NHS is the equivelent of political suicide.

The same Republicans saying that they'll vote against a public option will not go on the record as voting against it (see: medicare)
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4. Just because other nations tax the FUCK out of their citizens to pay for healthcare, it means we are supposed to do it too! I mean, it's fucking UNAMERICAN if we don't tax ourselves to fucking death so we can all work to pay taxes. Shit, if you aren't paying 50%+ of your income for income taxes, not counting VAT, gas tax, sales tax, fucking tax, breathing air tax, and every other socialist tax you can think of, then you are UNAMERICAN! We should all be BEGGING to pay more taxes, what the fuck is wrong with you people?

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And yet I could show you the UK and it would totally discredit you.


Per capita government spending on healthcare in America is higher than basically every nation on Earth with universal healthcare. You are already paying more taxes for healthcare than us, and getting shit all in return.

The above offers just a few examples. Compare for yourself here:
http://apps.who.int/whosis/data/Search.jsp
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That was a quick turnaround from disbelief to Holy Fuck to Holy Fuck the insurance compaines are worse because they make profit. GG
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That was a quick turnaround from disbelief to Holy Fuck to Holy Fuck the insurance compaines are worse because they make profit. GG
It's called looking at the big picture. You should try it sometime.

So... that's a NO on goverment run healthcare due to some immoral tests executed over 30 years ago, and YES to the continued behavior of insurance companies making ridiculous profits off fucking millions of people over until they die.


I see you've got your head on straight.
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Holy Fuck. You know what my father's health insurance company did to him?

Denied him care after 20 years of paying into the system because he was diagnosed with kidney cancer.



You realize that the healthcare debate is about the money, not the care, right? Insurance companies deny care to maximize profits, none of which actually go back into providing better healthcare.

Do you think anyone is defending that? I haven't heard ANYONE say that an insurance company should be able to do that since this whole thing began six months ago.

For the last fucking time, you don't have to have universal health care to have regulations on the industry
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It's called looking at the big picture. You should try it sometime.

So... that's a NO on goverment run healthcare due to some immoral tests executed over 30 years ago, and YES to the continued behavior of insurance companies making ridiculous profits off fucking millions of people over until they die.


I see you've got your head on straight.

http://www.wellpoint.com/pdf/Premium...%20Drivers.pdf

THREE CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

Maybe if you'd get your head out of your ass and actually look at where the costs come from instead of blaming evil corporate America for everything you'd learn something.
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Per capita government spending on healthcare in America is higher than basically every nation on Earth with universal healthcare. You are already paying more taxes for healthcare than us, and getting shit all in return.

The above offers just a few examples. Compare for yourself here:
http://apps.who.int/whosis/data/Search.jsp

Actually, I'm quite happy with my health care and so are the majority of Americans (the cost is pretty high obviously, but there's things that can be done to reduce it).

Don't say we're getting shit in return, because you have no fucking clue as to what you're talking about.

Things need to be regulated, and things need to be done to bring costs down. That doesn't mean we need to socialize our health insurance industry.
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http://www.wellpoint.com/pdf/Premium...%20Drivers.pdf

THREE CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

Maybe if you'd get your head out of your ass and actually look at where the costs come from instead of blaming evil corporate America for everything you'd learn something.

That indicates he's just blaming the wrong corporations, or the wrong corporate practices anyway.


And some of those numbers make no sense. 20% swings in aging expenses in a year, 33% increased consumer demand from one year to the next? That can't be right.
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http://www.wellpoint.com/pdf/Premium...%20Drivers.pdf

THREE CENTS ON THE DOLLAR.

Maybe if you'd get your head out of your ass and actually look at where the costs come from instead of blaming evil corporate America for everything you'd learn something.

You do realize that wellpoint, the organization that provided the information you linked to, is the largest health insurance company in blue cross/blue shield, right?

let's learn more about wellpoint!

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For-profit health insurance giant WellPoint fired off an email blast to its customers (using its Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield subsidiary) yesterday attacking the public option and Democratic plans for reforming health care, according to Politico’s Ben Smith. The email directs customers to its “grassroots Web site” for instructions on contacting legislators, a website ThinkProgress revealed to be run by the secretive corporate lobbying firm Democracy Data and Communications (DDC). DDC, which is operated by a former veteran of the astroturf organization now known as FreedomWorks, has helped various corporate and Republican interests shape legislation by helping to generate seemingly organic phone calls and letters to Congress.

In the letter to its customers, WellPoint makes a variety of false charges against health reform. Ironically, the attacks WellPoint makes against the public option are more appropriate criticisms of the way the private insurer does business:

1. THE LETTER STATES: Health reform will “increase the premiums of those with private coverage.”

– WELLPOINT POLICIES: In a recent giddy report about WellPoint’s expected profitability to investors, Barrons reported that WellPoint will be “hiking” premiums to at least “6% to 8% annually.” In 2006, WellPoint’s profits increased 34% as premiums and fees surged.

2. THE LETTER STATES: Health reform will cause “millions of Americans to lose their private coverage” and end up in the public option.

– WELLPOINT POLICIES: In March 2007, the state’s Department of Managed Health Care fined Blue Cross of California and its parent company, WellPoint, $1 million after an investigation revealed that the insurer routinely canceled individual health policies of pregnant women and chronically ill patients. Earlier this summer, despite promises by their lobbyists to the public, WellPoint refused to end the controversial practice of rescinding coverage after an applicant files a medical claim.

While WellPoint has been busy shedding customers and increasing premiums, AMNews reported that WellPoint has cut its medical loss ratio this year — meaning a greater percentage of every premium dollar is going to profits and overhead, rather than being spent on actual medical care. Not only that, while WellPoint has tried to put a “human face” on its company by encouraging their employees to show up at town halls with corporate talking points, WellPoint has cut over 1,500 jobs since the beginning of this year. As former CIGNA executive Wendell Potter has explained, private health insurance companies like WellPoint are an ATM machine for Wall Street.

In a recent interview, NPR’s Steve Inskeep forced WellPoint CEO Angela Braly to concede her company fears that “changes in the insurance market and regulations” could cut into her profits the most. That is because, as Igor Volsky has observed, WellPoint’s business model is “antithetical to regulation,” since the company aggressively pursues healthy customers who are less likely to use benefits to pay for medical care. As the company adds healthy customers, WellPoint has made a science of finding ways to deny coverage to the sick. California regulators uncovered more than 1,200 violations of the law by the company in regard to unfair rescission and claims processing practices.

Braly, who earns nearly $10 million a year, wants “sustainable reform,” yet opposes what her company calls “Obamacare,” refuses to stop rescinding coverage to the sick, and is even suspicious of an individual mandate. Although health insurance lobbyists continue to press their case that they truly want reform “this time,” WellPoint and its stealth lobbying efforts severely undermine that claim.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/28/wellpoint-attacks/

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