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I'm posting this here because I'm looking for serious discussion and the main forum seems to have a tolerance or even an acceptance of pedophilia.

OK I think most if not everyone agrees that pedophiles are the scum of the earth. When my younger brother was about 8 he was abused by a pedophile and if I ever saw that bitch again I would have to fight the strong urge to torture this guy to death. I consider him to be one of the direct causes/catalysts for my brother getting involved with drugs and causing him a lot of pain in his life. I digress though.

No one likes pedophiles. Pedophilia is not curable and only "containable" with a high risk of reoffending. This got me to thinking that there should be a law specific to pedophiles. I'd like to see a "one strike" law for pedophiles with a mandatory death penalty.

Regardless of a person's stance on the death penalty, how can anyone disagree with exterminating all pedophiles for the betterment of society?

Is this too extreme? Should there be exceptions instead of a blanket death penalty?

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Old 09-16-2008, 05:30 PM redrum781 is offline  
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Castration... seriously though.

Even if you're serious, that doesn't address the issue.
A large part of pedophilia is making children pose or behave sexually to satisfy deviant sexual proclivities.
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Castration... seriously though.

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As long as castration is not an option for some 19 year old kid banging his 17 year old girlfriend, and then getting caught for it, then I third the proposal.
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Maybe send em to jail for life, no kids there. I agree though you'd have to watch your not putting this penalty on the 19 year old with the girlfriend in highschool.
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the "pedo" in pedophile means child. a 17 year old is not a child.


anyway, i support automatic death penalty for first offense for rapists and pedos of all kinds.

They're scum, no need to ahve them around.

obviously, if a 19 year old gets busted for (consensually) banging his 16/17 year old girlfriend and gets charged with statutory rape... Thats obviously different.
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lol gyaah lets kill them BUT TORURTE FIRST!!!!!!!11
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Maybe send em to jail for life, no kids there. I agree though you'd have to watch your not putting this penalty on the 19 year old with the girlfriend in highschool.

Why should tax payers have to shell out money for their "sickness". What a waste of money.
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anyway, i support automatic death penalty for first offense for rapists and pedos of all kinds.


There's a pretty huge difference between a regular rapist and a pedophile.
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There's a pretty huge difference between a regular rapist and a pedophile.

not as far as whether they should live or die, not one bit.. they should both die a horrible, painful death.

as has been said, the 18 year old having consentual sex with his 17 year old GF shouldn't be castrated/jailed/punished/whatever, but the predator who preys on ANYONE of ANY age, be it rape, molestation, whatever the fuck, should ABSOLUTELY be put to death. since society has well proven that not everyone actually understands the difference between right and wrong, it's important to make it VERY clear what the punishment is for such heinous crimes, and to that end, the punishment for rape, child molestation and other types of sexual abuse should simply be death.

there should be absolutely ZERO leniency for the vicious scum shitbags that perpetrate these crimes, as their existance on this planet is a burden upon everyone else. FUCK putting them in jail for life and wasting every innocent person's tax dollars, what's the fucking point? how does it make more sense to keep someone locked up in prison for life than it does to simply kill them? if your crime warrants a life sentence with no possibility for parole, what the fuck difference does it make?

This country is WAY too easy on rapists, child molestors and other violent predators, and it disgusts me. there are way too many shitbag slimeball pieces of absolute garbage sitting in jail right now, waiting for the day they will eventually get out, so they can keep on doing the same old shit again. FUCK that shit.
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lol gyaah lets kill them BUT TORURTE FIRST!!!!!!!11

Biker #2: [the whole gang holds Pee-wee hostage] I say we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shout] Yeah!
Biker #3: I say we hang him, *then* we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shout] Yeah!
Biker #4: I say we stomp him!
Biker Gang: [shout] Yeah!
Biker #4: Then we tattoo him!
Biker Gang: [shout] Yeah!
Biker #4: Then we hang him...!
Biker Gang: [shout] YEAH!'!
Biker #4: And then we kill him!
Biker Gang: [shout] YEAH!'!'!
Pee-wee: [tries to throw voice without moving lips] I say we let him go.
Biker Gang: [shout] NO!'!'!
Biker Mama: [whistles] I say ya let me have him first!
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Why should tax payers have to shell out money for their "sickness". What a waste of money.

Life in prison is less costly than a death sentence.



Also, the OP states that the general forum seems to be in some cases accepting of pedophilia but I would argue that the general forums and much of the internet is accepting of ephebophilia (The term ephebophilia is the sexual preference for adolescents around 15-19 years of age) not pedophilia. Although I will concede that there are some areas of the web that are on some level accepting of pedophilia, 4chan for example.

Since people tend to overuse the term pedophilia, Ill just post a quick refresher of actual definitions for those who have never actually looked.


Pedophilia
The term pedophilia or paedophilia has a range of definitions as found in psychology, law enforcement, and the popular vernacular. As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children[1][2][3][4] and has engaged or may engage in child sexual abuse;[5][6]

Hebephilia
Hebephilia refers to an adult's sexual preference for pubescent youths.

Ephebophilia
The term ephebophilia (sometimes confused with hebephilia) is the sexual preference for adolescents around 15-19 years of age.


That all being said, I 100% oppose the death penalty in all cases. Our justice system is too flawed in far too many levels for it to be allowed to hand out punishments it can not take steps to reverse/correct. Give me 100+ years with ZERO false convictions in any kind of criminal case and maybe Ill consider changing my mind. Not to mention death for rape/molestation is vastly disproportionate regardless of whatever argument any one might try to make that such actions destroy lives.

Now as for non death penalty judgments.

In all cases, the age of both parties needs to be seriously considered and factored into any judgment. And care needs to be taken in the way we deal with this so that what happened to Genarlow Wilson(He was sentenced to 10 years in prison without parole for having consensual oral sex with a 15-year-old girl at a New Year’s Eve party, an offense that constituted aggravated child molesting, even though Mr. Wilson was 17.) do not happen.


Now that my condemnation for the way this is dealt with in slightly unusual cases and the way it is generally discussed is out of the way. I feel that adults found guilty of acting on feelings of pedophilia should be sentenced to very long prison sentences, guaranteed life without parole if violence was involved. In cases involving hebephilia harsh prison sentences should also be handed out but the age of the older party starts to become more of a factor. While it is obvious that a 35 year old man sleeping with a 13 year old girl needs to be separated from the general population how severe a punishment should be starts to get cloudy when you are dealing with a 18/19/20 year old and a 12/13/14 year old that looks and acts almost the same or very similar to girls that are 16+. In these cases the 'offender' in no way should be treated the same as the case involving the 35 year old.

And finally, much more research needs to be done regarding the biological psych factors behind all three of the terms I mentioned. There is compelling evidence that in at least some cases pedophilia is a biological disorder, not purely a cognitive one. This without question needs to be taken into account and research needs to be done in ways to treat/repair the biological defects that cause such feelings. If we can do this then being sent to psych wards for treatment rather than prisons where they will be abused by other prisoners is much more appropriate.


wow, I wrote far too much considering the topic of discussion
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not as far as whether they should live or die, not one bit.. they should both die a horrible, painful death.

Neglecting the issue of proportionate punishment:

There's just way too high a likelihood of innocent people being put to death for questionable rapes. Unlike murder, there can be substantial ambiguity about whether a crime actually took place, and a big spectrum of severity even if a crime did occur. We'd all agree that some thug grabbing a woman off the street and brutally raping her at knifepoint in an alley is heinous. But how about two drunk college kids getting it on at a party? Technically that's rape by the man (which is to begin with), but is that a death penalty crime? And of course there's always the scenario of completely consensual sex where the woman decides to cry rape for whatever reason the next day. A rare enough situation, but still likely enough to be a good reason to keep the death penalty on the shelf.
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I think rape and the non-consensual production of pornography should carry a harsh penalty regardless of age. The victims age should not carry any merit in a courtroom as placing a harsher penalty on people who rape kids is an insult to adults who are raped. The focus should be on determining if the act was consensual instead of endlessly redefining where the age of consent is, and the punishment for guilt should be universal.

I don't do the death penalty though. Life imprisonment on the first strike.

I think simple possession of the pornography should carry less of a punishment than it currently does. Those people can be rehabilitated and, unless they purchased what they have, have done nothing to harm anyone but themselves. Maybe a maximum of a year imprisonment and an indefinite amount of rehabilitative therapy.
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