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And I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything about welfare fraud, we should. But it's not a major source of our debt or deficits.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:35 PM pyramid is offline  
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I'm with you. It's not fixing the problem, but it is a way of holding people accountable. Still, even if it isn't effecting the country greatly, it is limiting some people who actually need it but cannot/will not get accepted to programs.
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And I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything about welfare fraud, we should. But it's not a major source of our debt or deficits.

fair enough.
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The entire budget for WIC in 2011 was 6.6 billion dollars.

http://povertyandpolicy.wordpress.com/tag/wic-budget/

The Budget for 2011 was 3.36 Trillion dollars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Un...federal_budget

WIC accounts for 0.1964% of the budget. If you eliminated 100% of the program you would "save" two tenths of one percent of the total budget.

two tenths of one percent = negligible.

a fraction of two tenths of one percent = infinitesimal

going after poor people for welfare fraud is more about scapegoating the poor than it is about actually fixing budgets.





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http://www.vanityfair.com/business/f.../europe-201109

Good article on Germany. Same author as the other one.

Pretty funny in some parts especially when it talks about Germans obsession with anality. Also explains why their porn is so good.
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and how much does that cost compared to the large companies that receive billions in tax cuts while putting in billions in profits?
it's just one of the many ways in which the economy is fucked. not the only way. i was very angry when i posted this as my neighbor who has a "bad back" was cleaning out his gutters and laying down brick for a walkway. what you're saying is obvious anyway.
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and lets not forget to factor in the wages of the 50,000* government employees "administering" the programs


*looked like a nice number.
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it's just one of the many ways in which the economy is fucked. not the only way. i was very angry when i posted this as my neighbor who has a "bad back" was cleaning out his gutters and laying down brick for a walkway. what you're saying is obvious anyway.
Sounds like a great guy. You're not angry about the economy or the well being of anyone else either, you're just genuinely pissed he actually gets paid for nothing


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Sounds like a great guy. You're not angry about the economy or the well being of anyone else either, you're just genuinely pissed he actually gets paid for nothing

sucks to be you

I think it's healthy for a society to get upset when people, rich or poor, are cheating the government out of money. Collective disregard for the rules is poisonous, and social scorn is a more powerful tool than relying on the government to catch and punish miscreants.
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and lets not forget to factor in the wages of the 50,000* government employees "administering" the programs


*looked like a nice number.

Just the Dept of "Homeland Security" has over 200,000 new employees since it's creation.

They spent $66,700,000,000 out of their allocated $98,800,000,000 in 2011.

Of course we need to cancel planned parenthood and public education before we touch that agency, I mean, how did we ever live without it with only the US Army, the US marines, the navy, the FBI, the CIA, ATF, Secret Service, US Marshals, US Airforce, Seals, rangers, etc.

I don't know how we did it. Must have been VERY dangerous that whole time we just didn't know it..............

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eland_Security
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I think it's healthy for a society to get upset when people, rich or poor, are cheating the government out of money. Collective disregard for the rules is poisonous, and social scorn is a more powerful tool than relying on the government to catch and punish miscreants.

If you're poor and not pimping the system then you're doing it wrong
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If you're poor and not pimping the system then you're doing it wrong

God I hate that song/video.

it's a recruitment drive for private prison inmates.
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Dead Prez are unapologetically radical. Basically, they think black people have nothing in the US, so they're better off pimping the system that keeps them down rather than hoping for improvements that won't come. They at least have a point. It's easy for us to say that you shouldn't do that shit, but we don't live in those conditions and we can never fully understand their situation.

Don't worry though, as with most underground groups, the majority of their fans are white middle class.

edit: They also get arrested at the end, so there is that
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God I hate that song/video.


First time I have ever seen it.



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If you're poor and not pimping the system then you're doing it wrong



Hmm. I was thinking of something extravagant when you said pimping the system. Not what I had in mind. Though I do admit that I only understood about 25% of what was said.
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Military and defense spending is fucking ridiculous.

Our fucking NAVY has the second largest Air Force in the world, but sweet jesus we had better cut all those old people off Meals on Wheels because we can't fucking afford it.


The truth is, Republicans absolutely love the largest, most expensive, and most expansive government program in world history: the US military. They only hate government programs when they aren't used to kill people.
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