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You're like an autistic child. Incapable of learning without great difficulty and some swearing.

Okay so improve the head design then, you'll make a lot of money The block is great, cams are great but available in more aggressive grinds - no real reason to change the manifold but there are options for those with extra money made from CF for example.

You want the Motorsport address? I'll alert them that you're on your way with revolutionary head ideas.

So you're saying your engine is limited to essentially a few percentage more than the stock power, and can't really go any farther without turbos? That sucks. No wonder I never see any BMW's at the strip.
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So you're saying your engine is limited to essentially a few percentage more than the stock power, and can't really go any farther without turbos? That sucks. No wonder I never see any BMW's at the strip.

There you go, finally. Traditionally it's hard to get more out of a BMW engine because they've already gotten everything out of it. Like on a Ferrari there just isn't going to be much you can do to a Motorsport engine, or even a regular version. That's what premium brands are about - getting everything out of the box. Having the highest volumetric efficiency for a given displacement is a bad thing? And yes if you want more you can go forced induction - which they also do from factory now.

There are many reasons you personally don't see many BMWs at the strip. Drag racing is only popular with select demographics plus your area must be laden with cheaper asian and domestic offerings, no surprise there. What you see and what you don't see is irrelevant. Case in point - i'd slaughter your civic in a drag race.
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There you go, finally. Traditionally it's hard to get more out of a BMW engine because they've already gotten everything out of it. Like on a Ferrari there just isn't going to be much you can do to a Motorsport engine, or even a regular version. That's what premium brands are about - getting everything out of the box. Having the highest volumetric efficiency for a given displacement is a bad thing? And yes if you want more you can go forced induction - which they also do from factory now.

There are many reasons you personally don't see many BMWs at the strip. Drag racing is only popular with select demographics plus your area must be laden with cheaper asian and domestic offerings, no surprise there. What you see and what you don't see is irrelevant. Case in point - i'd slaughter your civic in a drag race.

I can't believe you actually believe that. I can build a motor for my Civic, using many stock Honda parts from various cars that still is only a 2L and has almost 300bhp n/a on pump gas. Hell, the JDM version of my car makes 225 stock. Cosworth used to sell a turn-key 2.3 for the Focus that made 300bhp with a warranty. I uhh, just can't afford to build my motor right now. I'm still in college.

In case you didn't realize it, I already knew you were gonna say what you just said, I just wanted to see you say it! Also, our cars are closer than you'd think. Sure, you'll get me, but you won't "slaughter" me, and I've got the least powerful K series engine Honda made, the next slowest version has 37 more hp. Hell, the euro version of your car makes 42hp more than yours. Can you explain that if your engine is so perfect? I can guaran-fucking-tee that your car would gain significantly from a good port job, bigger valves, and port matching the manifolds and gaskets, along with an appropriate set of cams. There isn't any factory engines that don't gain from this, just some more than others. It's a fact of life with mass-produced engines. You've got a lot to learn about engine building, and you're not gonna learn it arguing on forums.

I did spend a little time browsing forums for your car, and there is plenty that can be done to your engine. Sure, it already has a 3-angle valve job, but you can fit bigger valves, more aggressive cams, and there's room to go on the porting, especially if you go to a better intake and exhaust manifold. It seems expensive as hell to mod your car, though. All I was saying earlier to the other guy is that your aftermarket is almost non-existent compared to many other cars. Your average BMW owner isn't interested in making his car faster - he'll just buy the new model when it comes out, and BMW isn't going to put a no-compromise race engine that doesn't idle for shit or have any low-end torque in a car that is generally going to be driven like a normal car. There's always room for more power. I bet that inline motor would sound sick built up to where it has trouble idling.

For the record, in my area - everybody runs domestics at the strip. There is the occasional Civic, but generally it's just some jackass with a D or B series that gets smoked.

Also, I'm not knocking your car. I LIKE your car, it's one of my favorite generation M3's since it has less electronic crap (but it still needs a diet.) The only reason I have a Honda is I got a good deal on it, and this particular one is in excellent condition. I couldn't stand to drive most of Honda's offerings, I don't like any of the newer Si models, older Si models, or even most of the Civic Type R's except for the EP3's - which my car is so closely related to a CTR that it has most of the same parts, the same body, and it's even built in the CTR factory in Swindon, England. As a matter of fact, if you look in under my rear hatch you can even see where they skimmed over the holes for the bigger CTR wing. From the driver seat you can barely tell the difference, other then the higher redline and sitting on the opposite side, lol. I couldn't get away with driving an M3 year round here anyways, my car is terrible enough in snow as it is. I've literally had days where I couldn't get above idle without spinning my all seasons like crazy.
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I mean, FUCK - you're comparing your 240hp (stock) 3.0 6 cyl to a modern Ferrari? Sure, you have a sweet, sweet car - but it is not a hotrod by any stretch of imagination. Hell, my driving could be good enough where even my almost stock EP3 would take your M3 (with you driving) in the 1/4 mile. Didn't you previously admit to having mis-matched tire brands?

Shit, with my experience I bet I could take you on at Laguna Seca as our cars sit, right now. Two laps, no warmup, cold tires, and I have questionable wear patterns on my current (stock style) brake pads.

I can't really compare the noises though, I need to clean up after myself after these kind of videos.
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Where I get sad in my pants after watching these videos when I realize my car is incapable of making sweet noises
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Then again, this is what an EP3 can do on a completely stock engine with a turbo kit, lol.

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So you're saying your engine is limited to essentially a few percentage more than the stock power, and can't really go any farther without turbos? That sucks. No wonder I never see any BMW's at the strip.


Another reason is because ppl with BMWs cannot fucking drive at all.
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Girbly - no amount of driving is going to compensate for the whooping I would put on you. I got to run but I will come back to this...

Did you really just write an essay on how you can build a 300hp civic? I used to have one just so you know.
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Girbly - no amount of driving is going to compensate for the whooping I would put on you. I got to run but I will come back to this...

Did you really just write an essay on how you can build a 300hp civic? I used to have one just so you know.

No, it's a lecture about how your engine isn't maxed out, and you have delusions of grandeur about your engine. 240hp for a 3L is nowhere near as far as it can be taken n/a.

I know no amount of driving is going to make up a big performance gap, I'm just saying you wouldn't slaughter me. You're the one that brought it up anyways, I'm not really interested in heads up drag racing with an almost stock civic. I fucking hate bench racers. Also, I'm willing to bet you didn't have an EP3, nor have you probably driven one.
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No, it's a lecture about how your engine isn't maxed out, and you have delusions of grandeur about your engine. 240hp for a 3L is nowhere near as far as it can be taken n/a.

I agree. You could probably get 400 (maybe 500) horsepower out of that engine naturally aspirated but it'd likely be like any other high-strung high-horsepower NA engine. Toss in some high lift/duration cams, shorten the stroke a bit and bump up the redline to 10k, right? That's not what BMW had in mind when they made the car. At least, I imagine that's the case.
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I agree. You could probably get 400 (maybe 500) horsepower out of that engine naturally aspirated but it'd likely be like any other high-strung high-horsepower NA engine. Toss in some high lift/duration cams, shorten the stroke a bit and bump up the redline to 10k, right? That's not what BMW had in mind when they made the car. At least, I imagine that's the case.
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I would buy an E36 M3 for $3800.

I would rather have an E39 528i with some hip and shoulder room for the same money but hey, to each his own. You've got $1200 more for incidentals if the $5000 was a firm budget. If you don't drive like a complete fucking douchebag you might see whole days of service before any overhauls are needed.
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No, it's a lecture about how your engine isn't maxed out, and you have delusions of grandeur about your engine. 240hp for a 3L is nowhere near as far as it can be taken n/a.

I know no amount of driving is going to make up a big performance gap, I'm just saying you wouldn't slaughter me. You're the one that brought it up anyways, I'm not really interested in heads up drag racing with an almost stock civic. I fucking hate bench racers. Also, I'm willing to bet you didn't have an EP3, nor have you probably driven one.

The e36 M is down 80 hp from the euro version - it's an example of what you like where there's room to grow. You can get within a hair of that on a US model and stay NA; then it's maxed out.

E46 CSL gets 355 hp from 3.2 liters. There really isn't a lot of room for improvement without boost.
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Somewhere around 425 is the absolute max NA going on 3.2L for the E46. Some duders had ~3.4L sitting above 500, but with money just throwing at things. Just open wallet and walk away.

Much cheaper to go the turbo route fo shizzle. Some of the SC set ups are sick, but there are always purists that sneak into the threads...

8k+ RPM on NA though...
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