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CCW w/o Manual Safety

Hey all,

For a while I've carried a full 5" 1911 condition 1 in a tuckable IWB. Being a single stack keeps the gun thin, but it is so big, bulky, and prints easily. Iíve been researching smaller weapons that are easier to carry and Iíve been looking at a couple of Glocks, the P3AT, and the XD subcompact. The thing with these weapons is that they have no manual safeties.

By no means I have ever had a negligent discharge or even come close, but the "click" of the thumb safety that completely blocks the sear makes me feel allot more comfortable than a gun that would be carried "condition 0." I know that these weapons have numerous safeties so that the gun only fires when you pull the trigger, but I canít get the idea of "Glock leg" out of my mind. Something catches the trigger just right as you re-holster and my life could be seriously impacted.

Any suggestions for someone who has never CCW a weapon without a manual safety?
Old 10-31-2009, 11:27 AM ProfessorBlinks is offline  
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I just have a nylon holster for my 4" XD-9. I've tested reholstering by having it unloaded but "condition 0 style". Never had it "fire". Also, when I holster my XD, I do not grip the handle all the way, the grip safety works well.

Go to a gun shop and get a feel for the trigger safety by dry-firing (if they will let you), also check out the rear grip safety, if it's not depressed all the way, it will not fire.
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both my carry pieces lack a safety. The Taurus has a transfer bar that calls for a long double action only pull. And the Ruger LCP has a lot of free pull before it actually grabs.
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Old 10-31-2009, 02:13 PM Rancidpunk666 is offline  
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I had this issue when i started carrying also,but i slowly started realizing i don't have to have a manual safety.I prefer SAO and that usually has a safety so its all good,but i had to rule out many good guns that were DAO.

2 days ago i picked up my Walther PPS9 DAO and it doesn't bother me one bit.
If its in a pocket all buy itself its pretty safe,adding a holster makes it even more safe.
I carry mine in my left rear pants pocket and it barley fits,so adding a holster will make it too large to use.
But the key is to use a Holster or a pocket in which is devoted to the gun by itself only.
You can buy trigger covers for Glocks or just make your own,its Kydex that just clips over the trigger guard and doesn't allow access to the trigger until its pulled off.

I still prefer SAO,but i can live with DAO and it opens up a 50% larger market of guns to pick from.

I think you just need a different holster for your 1911,my 5" hides well under a t-shirt and i carry it 75% of the time over my compact PT745
Old 11-01-2009, 05:59 AM StarDeath13 is offline  
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So it is "safe" to have a small DAO weapon (1 in the chamber) in a pocket without a holster if it is the ONLY thing in the pocket?

My 1911 works just fine but I find it a bit big and heavy, Id like something smaller that is easier to put on in a hurry if I dont have the time to dress properly for a 1911. Rule #1 of a gunfight: Bring a gun.
Old 11-01-2009, 07:02 AM ProfessorBlinks is offline  
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you should always use a holster, even if its a pocket holster.
Old 11-01-2009, 06:28 PM CommiePunk is offline  
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Yes,most people feel its safe as long as the gun has a long and heavy trigger pull,i wouldn't put Glock in a pocket upholstered.But i would a Kahr or Revolver.
"EDIT" except for ComiePunk,he doesnt feel that way. Not everyone agrees on this subject,read real gun forums and see what i mean.
Glock is an oddity in the DAO world,it is a DA but shoots like a SA,meaning it has a short lite pull some even lighter than 1911's
Each DAO gun is differant so make sure you either read up on it online and test it in hand also.

My Walther PPS 9mm i picked up a few days ago is the first DAO gun ive ever owned,it has a somewhat long and a tad heavier pull. pull is maybe 1/4" and about 8 lbs but is smooth as butter.
A smooth pull and crisp break on a DAO gun is very important if you want any type of accuracy.
I DO carry mine in my back pocket unholstered,and it covers well with just a t-shirt being untucked,about the ultimate back up gun in my book.
I still will look at making a trigger cover that will come off as i draw.If i do decide to wear it IWB or OWB it will be holstered as a pocket with nothing in it can be an effective holster.

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Yes,most people feel its safe as long as the gun has a long and heavy trigger pull,i wouldn't put Glock in a pocket upholstered.But i would a Kahr or Revolver.
"EDIT" except for ComiePunk,he doesnt feel that way. Not everyone agrees on this subject,read real gun forums and see what i mean.
Glock is an oddity in the DAO world,it is a DA but shoots like a SA,meaning it has a short lite pull some even lighter than 1911's
Each DAO gun is differant so make sure you either read up on it online and test it in hand also.

My Walther PPS 9mm i picked up a few days ago is the first DAO gun ive ever owned,it has a somewhat long and a tad heavier pull. pull is maybe 1/4" and about 8 lbs but is smooth as butter.
A smooth pull and crisp break on a DAO gun is very important if you want any type of accuracy.
I DO carry mine in my back pocket upholstered,and it covers well with just a t-shirt being untucked,about the ultimate back up gun in my book.
I still will look at making a trigger cover that will come off as i draw.If i do decide to wear it IWB or OWB it will be holstered as a pocket with nothing in it can be an effective holster.

there's not really anything wrong with carrying an unchambered gun in your pocket (besides dirt+ lint and shit getting in it) However i don't see any use in carrying an unchambered gun. thats just me though, i know my beliefs don't agree with everyone.

also, i shot a Walther PPK/S recently and thought it was great except for the initial trigger pull (someone told me it was 18 lbs.. i'd believe it. my wife couldn't even pull the trigger. it was so heavy that i had to yank on it, which is horrible for accuracy.
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there's not really anything wrong with carrying an unchambered gun in your pocket (besides dirt+ lint and shit getting in it) However i don't see any use in carrying an unchambered gun. thats just me though, i know my beliefs don't agree with everyone.

also, i shot a Walther PPK/S recently and thought it was great except for the initial trigger pull (someone told me it was 18 lbs.. i'd believe it. my wife couldn't even pull the trigger. it was so heavy that i had to yank on it, which is horrible for accuracy.
I never mentioned unchambered,may as well carry a rock in your pocket.
All my guns are stay cocked and locked and chambered for DAO guns.
The PPK is alot different that the PPS,ive never shot a PPK personally.
The trigger on the PPS is about comparable to some of Kahr's higher end guns triggers.
And yeh you get a bad trigger forget accuracy and any fun at the range also.
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I actually prefer no safety, when I carry my SR9, I leave the safety off, if I get into a situation where I need to use my gun, I don't want to need to remember to turn the safety off.

As far as carrying a gun like a Glock or XD, put the gun in the holster before you put it on, once on, there is no reason to be taking the gun out of the holster unless you intend on using it. My carry gun only comes out of the holster when I'm going shooting or swapping between IWB or OWB holsters, thats it.
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I normally carry an XD45 with a thumb safety, but I wouldnt worry about carrying a non-thumb safety version either.

I've on a few occasions carried my Glock 17 instead, however I just make sure I'm even more careful when holstering it.

I would later like to get an XD9 SC, I think the grip safety on the XD series can help alot in ensuring safety when holstering the weapon if you are doing it right.
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Old 11-01-2009, 07:15 PM O.F.Fascist is offline  
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If you replace the Glock trigger with a heavier one is it pocket safe? I feel like the awnser is no but why is the Kahr and others safe while this is not?

Im looking at the G26...

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Old 11-01-2009, 09:22 PM ProfessorBlinks is offline  
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If you're going to monkeyfuck a Glock, don't make the trigger *heavier*(do there actually exist products which do this?). Install a lighter trigger kit for better control, and one of the external safety kits.
Conventional wisdom, though, is to NOT change the workings of a carry gun, lest you use it one day in self-defense and have to explain to a jury and an aggressive prosecutor(or a civil attorney) why you modified your weapon.
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Old 11-01-2009, 09:42 PM BReilley is offline  
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Im the wrong guy to give advice about Glocks.
But you can put manual safeties on them for about $100-$125 by a gun smith.But even then id use a holster still.

Ive not heard of anyone making heavier triggers to do what your asking,but im sure with the right springs its possible.

The do make a small Kydex clip on trigger gaurd which fully covers it and has a lanyard you clip to your belt and it falls off the trigger when you draw it.
And no i dont remember its name,but the guys at Glocktalk.com should be able to help.

I think the big issue is Glocks aren't made to be pocket guns,they are made for holsters worn IWB or OWB and a few things in between.
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manual safeties defeat the whole purpose of ccw

manual safety? sure, it's call double action.

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