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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...t_Control_Team
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_For...her_Technician
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...rce_Pararescue


Google?

Anyway, IMO it sounds as if he may have been talking you up a bit. Recruiters lie a good deal. Ok, ok, a GREAT deal. And those 3 you listed are 3 of their SOCOM, AFSOCOM whatever. They're the jobs, that I as a Marine could see as the ideal jobs in the AF. They would be great.
But they're the SEALS of the AF, not equivalent of course, but they're part of the SOCOM community. So if a kind of desperate young man walks in to my office, wanting to fulfill their life, then I'm going to talk about the coolest jobs in the branch. SEALS in the avy, Force Recon for Marines, Rangers, Airborne for the Army.

Now that's not to say you're not qualified for them or that you wouldn't do well in them, just saying...he may have been talking you up. If you want those jobs, get that shit in writing that that's what you're getting. Even that doesn't guaranty that you will get them. AF like any branch if need you somewhere else I'm sure, will put you there where they need you.

Just don't fall for anything ya know? Be careful with recruiters.

Isn't the coolest job in the Air Force the one that gets to fly jet fighters?
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:17 AM RazorWind is offline  
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The reserves works a bit different than the guard. For one there's a lot fewer units out there. The National Guard will have a dozen or more units and armories scattered throughout the state. There might only be a handful of Army Reserve training centers. So for instance if you want a certain job there might not be a unit within 2-300 miles of your location that has an opening for that job. Active duty they can basically send you anywhere in the world to fill an opening for the job you want. The guard and reserves are much more limited. When you enlist your recruiter has to find a specific slot in a unit's organization. So if there isn't a slot for the job you want you're SOL. For instance I transferred from Washington to New Mexico in the guard. I was in artillery in Washington. New Mexico doesn't have a single piece of artillery or a working mortar, so my job basically didn't exist when I got here. I ended up switching to Infantry 'cause it was a lot more interesting than sitting around with nothing to do.

Another thing, the Army reserves is all non combat arms. So there's no Infantry, Artillery, Tankers, etc. in the Army Reserves. The reserves are more likely to mobilize a handful of people in a unit or a smaller unit (company and below) In most cases the Guard only gets deployed in company or larger units. Occasionally they'll send a platoon for a special mission but a lot of times it's an entire battalion or brigade (hundreds or thousands) that gets deployed as one.

I'm not sure about the various benefits (education especially) but I've always got the impression that the reserves doesn't offer as a good a deal compared to the guard.

I'll relay this info to my wife, thanks
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Isn't the coolest job in the Air Force the one that gets to fly jet fighters?

if you're an officer

to the best of my knowledge none of the services allow enlisted to fly. the closest is warrant officers in the army
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if you're an officer

to the best of my knowledge none of the services allow enlisted to fly. the closest is warrant officers in the army

I thought enlisted guys could fly helicopters in the army? (I'm AF, so I really have no idea)
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I thought it was just warrant officers but I don't know for sure.
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I thought enlisted guys could fly helicopters in the army? (I'm AF, so I really have no idea)

Pretty sure its only warrant officers that fly in the army.
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Warrants, and commissioned (Lieutenant, etc).

The big difference between the two is a warrant's job is to fly. If he's got other shit to do, they're additional duties. A commissioned guy, especially as the reach captain and above, that other shit is their job, and if they're lucky, they get to fly once in awhile.

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If i had to do my life all over again..I would join the Marines..But other then my mother being horrified that i could say that I have asthma so i'd be SOL haha
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A commissioned guy, especially as the reach captain and above, that other shit is their job, and if they're lucky, they get to fly once in awhile.

You're guaranteed to fly a certain amount to maintain your rating and the entire system is designed to keep fliers flying. Fliers who are in non flying positions are less competitive and less promotable. A rated officer (flier) is expected to be more technically proficient at his or her job compared to a non rated officer who is expected to manage.

To the OP: the AFSC's listed to you are the ones that have the greatest need. In those particular cases, the washout rate is extreme enough that the Air Force lowers its standards for candidates willing to fill them (or try to). The recruiter is trying to fill his quota and any extra applications he pushes isn't counted towards his goal.

Take the ASVAB. The recruiter will run the numbers and it is possible that he will either indicate that you'll be statistically competitive for career fields X, Y, and Z or recommend you join the Army.
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You're guaranteed to fly a certain amount to maintain your rating and the entire system is designed to keep fliers flying. Fliers who are in non flying positions are less competitive and less promotable. A rated officer (flier) is expected to be more technically proficient at his or her job compared to a non rated officer who is expected to manage.

To the OP: the AFSC's listed to you are the ones that have the greatest need. In those particular cases, the washout rate is extreme enough that the Air Force lowers its standards for candidates willing to fill them (or try to). The recruiter is trying to fill his quota and any extra applications he pushes isn't counted towards his goal.

Take the ASVAB. The recruiter will run the numbers and it is possible that he will either indicate that you'll be statistically competitive for career fields X, Y, and Z or recommend you join the Army.


Practice test results for me resulted in the recruiter telling me to pretty much pick a job and I can have it if it's available.
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Practice test results for me resulted in the recruiter telling me to pretty much pick a job and I can have it if it's available.

Same here. I remember one question that was basically:

Plane travels 5 miles on 10 gallons of fuel. Plane has 100 gallons of fuel, how far can pilot travel. The "correct answer" was a mathmatical one (ie: 5 miles per gallon x 5 gallons = 25 miles shit). I said any pilot who attemps to fly 100 miles with 100 miles worth of fuel (implying no reserve) doesn't deserve his wings.

Now whether it was a trick question I don't know.
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Same here. I remember one question that was basically:

Plane travels 5 miles on 10 gallons of fuel. Plane has 100 gallons of fuel, how far can pilot travel. The "correct answer" was a mathmatical one (ie: 5 miles per gallon x 5 gallons = 25 miles shit). I said any pilot who attemps to fly 100 miles with 100 miles worth of fuel (implying no reserve) doesn't deserve his wings.

Now whether it was a trick question I don't know.

It was all multiple choice for me. Don't know if it's different for each service, I am looking at army reserves.
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Since I'm in a similar position (speaking with an Army Reserves recruiter)...

I'll just ask this: Advice for what to ask the recruiters? (Aside from the basics...)

My wife is nervous about me joining because of relocation, which I understand doesn't happen in the reserves (?) I know I can get better answers from actual soldiers (not saying that the recruiter is not a soldier).
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More than likely, your recruiter isn't kidding you. For active duty, MANY jobs are CRITICALLY overmanned. They're looking at a pretty significant draw-down in the next couple of years, more than likely. It'll actually get tougher to reenlist and it won't be an automatic resign.


I enlisted as a Loadmaster not too long ago, and my recruiter had basically all but closed up shop. I snagged a 99 ASVAB, have a four year degree (i ENLISTED mind you,) and the only reason I was such a sure shot was because I'm Reserve and reserve jobs work a little bit different (there are a finite number of open spots per squadron/wing)

I spoke with my recruiter pretty recently, and unless you're a stellar candidate, most jobs could very well be closed off to you. Apparently many recruiters aren't even sending kids to MEPS anymore because there just isn't a need for people, especially less-than-stellar candidates. With the shitty state of the economy, the military is a very attractive option for many young people like myself. Although that's not the reason I joined, I know a bunch of people in my situation (strong undergraduate GPA, good school,) ENLISTING with four year degrees just so they don't waste their life.

I didn't do it for the money, but I also don't want to spend the next few years of my life sitting in a cube working customer support while the economy improves. I'm halfway through my masters, so I'll do some training, come back, and finish it up while flying a bunch. I couldn't be happier with my decision.


I see you said "ENLISTED" a couple of times .... this is opposed to what? (serios question, i dont know what the alternative to enlisting is)
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I see you said "ENLISTED" a couple of times .... this is opposed to what? (serios question, i dont know what the alternative to enlisting is)

Enlisted versus going in as a commissioned officer.
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