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Colleges Put Out Spy Err Safety Nets

Profiling? Am I the only to find this extremely troubling? I mean that question seriously (as if I can expect a serious answer here )


Colleges Put Out Spy Err Safety Nets
04-16-2008
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In the year since Seung Hui Cho killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech, colleges dramatically have expanded efforts to catch dangerous students in a safety net before they crash and take innocent victims down with them, school officials say.



"It's a different world since Virginia Tech," says Gwendolyn Dungy, executive director of the National Association of Student Personnel Administrators.



Colleges are trying to reduce the chances of violence by creating or beefing up risk assessment teams that typically include faculty, residence advisers, psychologists, administrators and police, college administrators say. The teams meet often to review reports on students who seem disturbed. The reports are submitted by professors, residence advisers, police and students.



About 20% of colleges had assessment teams before the Virginia Tech murders, says Keith Anderson, a veteran counselor at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y. "Now I don't know any college that hasn't either created a team or strengthened the one they had," Dungy says.



Although troubled students rarely attack classmates — suicide is a far more common problem — more students have mental disorders, and their problems are getting more serious, experts agree.



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http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...ty_N.htm?csp=1
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Assuming your info is accurate (yeah I know...), what exactly is the problem here? It's not spying, they're just discussing problem students with the end goal of preventing disasters.
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but a campus is a Gun Free Zone... there can be No Violent Crime in a Gun Free Zone, it's The Law.
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but a campus is a Gun Free Zone... there can be No Violent Crime in a Gun Free Zone, it's The Law.

This was an attempt at humor, right? - Just checking.
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Absolutely, with greeater power comes greater responsibility. by not holding power to a higher standard, and by not keeping them scared instead of the other way around, power will abuse and become tyrranical. This is not even worthy of debate, history proves it, our founders stated it bluntly... and they even noted that over time a fearful and complacent populous will endeavor to make excuses for it... exactly as youre doing right now.
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I'm trying to figure out what you could view as being negative about this.

All of these people are ALREADY interacting with the students. They are simply being trained to look for people who are going off the handle, and then meet together with other people who have seen that student to see if they agree. There's no additional surveillance.

Professors already do this to a large extent. If there's a kid they know who seems to be having trouble, they ask around. It's a GOOD THING. People frequently have trouble coming forward to ask for help, for academic or personal reasons. School figures working pro-actively to notice problems can help students get whatever help they might need. What exactly is the downside here?
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I'm trying to figure out what you could view as being negative about this.

All of these people are ALREADY interacting with the students. They are simply being trained to look for people who are going off the handle, and then meet together with other people who have seen that student to see if they agree. There's no additional surveillance.

Professors already do this to a large extent. If there's a kid they know who seems to be having trouble, they ask around. It's a GOOD THING. People frequently have trouble coming forward to ask for help, for academic or personal reasons. School figures working pro-actively to notice problems can help students get whatever help they might need. What exactly is the downside here?

Im personaly uncomfortable with it because with the large government dept of HL Sec, I fear it is just a step before profiled people are placed on lists.

Youve heard about the american muslim guy that was renditioned, tortured, held in solitary for weeks then found completely inocent, yet lawyers cant seem to get him out because once on the watch lists, just like the DMV its like glue.

What frightens me is school shootings walk a thin line to being called "terrorist incidents", many have been found after investigation to be false - flag events or dangerously close to one by researchers and it could be just another step in the relentless creeping fascism we have undeniably witnessed these past few years.

Weve had colleges for hundreds of years and firearms for more than that.

As long a there is metal in the gound men will fashion weapons, when they are illegal only outlaws will have weapons.

When they are illegal governents historically tyrranise thier populations. This is indesputable and established.

It is only the respect for personal freedom and ones own right to defend ones own self that guarantees safety.

When governments begin categorising, listing, and legislating it is always a step towards totalitarianism.

Always.

Every totalitarian government in history began by profiling "for your safety". EVERY SINGLE ONE, go ahead and look into it.
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Like anything else of the kind...it all depends on how it is implemented and the intentions of the people behind the controls. Blame the crazed fucknauts going apeshit on campus for taking away your freedoms...not some shadow conspiracy.
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Like anything else of the kind...it all depends on how it is implemented and the intentions of the people behind the controls. Blame the crazed fucknauts going apeshit on campus for taking away your freedoms...not some shadow conspiracy.


Its pretty rare there is a crazed fucknaut going apeshit on campuses though, the media however plays it to te absolute hilt and each time, however infrequent leaves a psychological footprint.

And the answer from government of course is always a loss of liberty and freedom, and many people set the perception, media driven that this loss i the "logical" thing to do and wanted.
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But it's presumably not the government that doing this "profiling" but the Universities. Yes some are public but there's still a layer between this information and "the man".

In any case, what would you have them do instead? Pay no attention to student's well being?
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Professors already do this to a large extent. If there's a kid they know who seems to be having trouble, they ask around. It's a GOOD THING. People frequently have trouble coming forward to ask for help, for academic or personal reasons. School figures working pro-actively to notice problems can help students get whatever help they might need. What exactly is the downside here?
You think professors give a fuck about your personal and social well-being beyond the extent to which you try and use it as leverage for grades? To "ask around" (as if they have a clue who else knows you), or fill out "risk assessment reports" or take "awareness training?"

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