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If I wasn't in the military, I'd probably not go to church. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't refuse to associate with organized religion. I mean if a local church was organizing an effort to, say help this old widow who lost her home in a fire or some shit, I'd help out.

Okay then. That's a big difference from who would say that they're Christian, go to church, give money, then say that they're not oppressing anyone with their views at all.
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Old 10-16-2007, 12:54 PM Mr. Greg is offline  
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I think both athiests and christians have those who greatly exagerrate the persecution and individual "oppression" they encounter/endure for what they believe or don't believe.

How does donating money to a church oppress you? At least at the church my family goes to the money goes to the workers/priests/building upkeep/church services and then those who run the food pantry and work with the local salvation army.

Anyone can donate money to other organizations, politicians or other figures who hold different views if you want as well. It's not like Church's are the organizations who may try to push an agenda.
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I don't sterotype christians, they do it all by themselves. You know, the part where they call themselves like ...christians? Yeah. That's the thing.

And yeah, you could say most christians are subject of my ridicule.


What? You should know a thing or two about guilt, the damn thing goes around it like the moon goes around the earth

edit// I also like the internet martyrdom thing. That's very

HAH you don't stereotype Christians they do it by themselves??????? wtf
thats like saying I don't stereotype black people, they do it by themselves. or asians, or ANY OTHER FUCKING ORGANIZATION OR RELIGION damn. are you all so retarded?
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There are basically two ways to approach any discussion that has anything to do with the aspect of the mind or consciousness.

A) There is an essence/spirit/soul/something supernatural that in effect IS a persons mind/consciousness.

B) Everything about a persons mind/consciousness/intelligence/personality/emotional state/basically everything is a result of natural physical processes.

If your position on the subject stems from option A then its game over, end of discussion right here. There is no longer anything to discuss with you pertaining to this particular topic.

If your position stems from option B then memories and emotions are not subjective, they are a direct result of natural physical processes that occur within the chemistry and physical construct of the brain.

ya, because scientists know exactly how the brain works
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Okay then. That's a big difference from who would say that they're Christian, go to church, give money, then say that they're not oppressing anyone with their views at all.

Besides, I don't recall anything in the Bible that orders me to go to church.
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ya, because scientists know exactly how the brain works

This does not change the fact that given the two options I provided one must be true and one must be false.

Or do you have more logical options?
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HAH you don't stereotype Christians they do it by themselves??????? wtf
thats like saying I don't stereotype black people, they do it by themselves. or asians, or ANY OTHER FUCKING ORGANIZATION OR RELIGION damn. are you all so retarded?

If you cannot fucking see what fucking difference it is with purposefully aligning yourself with a certain group and assimilating their rules as opposed to being born some fucking colour or shape regardless of what you actually become, I really feel pity for you
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that's the dumbest thing ever written here,exaggerating or not. You don't choose your skin color, nor does being regarded as "black" warrant any behavioral patterns. Is that the same with people who are christian? Well, no. I had to answer that one myself incase you get it wrong

On genmay, you might have a point. At least people actively seek validation for their faggishness here. Otherwise you're just plain lost. You "agnostic" guilttrippers are my favorite kind of closet christians

You say that the color of your skin and your religion aren't correlated. ok i suppose
but how can you ridicule all christians? is there some beef you have with them? please do tell. if saying all christians fit one stereotype then im sure all black people do too. stereotyping is, in the end, just stereotyping. so you're a bigot, and you want to feel good about it so you bash on forums? quite laughable
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Ruho beat me to it while I was commuting.

Being a member of a voluntary group implies tons.

Being born into a group you can not opt out of implies nothing.

Apples and watermelons(even oranges were too similar for this particular instance), completely incomparable within the context of this discussion.

haha being a member of a voluntary group implies things, ya. so youre saying every christian has the same morals/everyday behavior? no. im sorry but I in fact do not believe the earth was created 10,000 years ago, i don't deny that evolution does infact occur, i do not believe the earth was literally created in 7 days. fuck, stereotype more
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You say that the color of your skin and your religion aren't correlated. ok i suppose
but how can you ridicule all christians? is there some beef you have with them? please do tell. if saying all christians fit one stereotype then im sure all black people do too. stereotyping is, in the end, just stereotyping. so you're a bigot, and you want to feel good about it so you bash on forums? quite laughable



I think it's safe to say you've earned every inch of ridicule that comes in your way, christian or not
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I think it's safe to say you've earned every inch of ridicule that comes in your way, christian or not

ok there

edit : still no comeback
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ok there

edit : still no comeback

There's nothing to come back to. Why don't you go read the few posts I made. Really try hard. In the end though, you're just a despicable trying to sound all pompous. I don't see why I should argue anything, considering you can't fucking read, and now you're trying to make some sort of a miniature callout over me not replying to your dumbfuck posts in the manner you'd wish. I wouldn't mind that, but you kind of skipped over one yourself. Sounds to me like you're just a fucking hypocrite, then again with you christians that's nothing new

Funny, you didn't try to pull this little schtick with , though he seems to use "all atheists..." very often. I don't think I made such an argument regarding christians.

You're not going to comment on it, because you're just a christian that should be thrown to the lions am I rite? I'm sure you have some tingling feeling of true oppression and martyrdom now that the internet hates you.
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Oh and once again ...I'll try to say this one slowly, considering you don't seem to get it.

Political/religious affiliation != race
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There's nothing to come back to. Why don't you go read the few posts I made. Really try hard. In the end though, you're just a despicable trying to sound all pompous. I don't see why I should argue anything, considering you can't fucking read, and now you're trying to make some sort of a miniature callout over me not replying to your dumbfuck posts in the manner you'd wish. I wouldn't mind that, but you kind of skipped over one yourself. Sounds to me like you're just a fucking hypocrite, then again with you christians that's nothing new

Funny, you didn't try to pull this little schtick with , though he seems to use "all atheists..." very often. I don't think I made such an argument regarding christians.

You're not going to comment on it, because you're just a christian that should be thrown to the lions am I rite? I'm sure you have some tingling feeling of true oppression and martyrdom now that the internet hates you.

hah say one more time? somebody seems a little defensive
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