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Impeach and try Bush/Cheney! 911 was an inside job!
 
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i wasn't employed here, came shortly after the mess, but i guess they threatened to charge an insane amount for each license that was not legit (adding up to way more than 25k)..

It's definitely crooked..

Whats even more fucked is the dude who reported (it was his fault), got a cash reward....

I'd have sued the guy for illegally putting the software on there against company policy.

It is also why a company should have everyone sign an NDA about anything software related.
Old 09-18-2009, 11:44 PM detail is offline  
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I'd have sued the guy for illegally putting the software on there against company policy.

It is also why a company should have everyone sign an NDA about anything software related.

A contract can not overrule civil and criminal law. If there is software installed illegally on a system an NDA saying you cant tell anyone is invalid.
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Old 09-19-2009, 12:23 AM TheMorlock is offline  
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A contract can not overrule civil and criminal law. If there is software installed illegally on a system an NDA saying you cant tell anyone is invalid.


That doesn't mean an idiot won't believe it's valid. Non-compete clauses are illegal in AZ, but people think they're valid all the time since it is in the contract.

Still doesn't answer why there was no suit against the guy for doing it. If there were no memos telling him to do it, then there should be a case.

Will you win? Who knows, but I do know that it will destroy his life forever if he has 50K in bills. I'd say it's worth it, but then again, I was pretty vindictive with my students who tried to screw me.

They'd make a fairly small complaint, I'd file one 10 times worse on them. The Chicagoland way....

I'da done the same for the department I lead, except my employees love me. They treat me well, I treat them much better.
Old 09-19-2009, 01:52 AM detail is offline  
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Using constant threats of legal action to scare someone into cooperating with you. Not the maritime version.

Ah, ok, didn't know there were two definitions.
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Old 09-19-2009, 07:51 AM lopoetve is offline  
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Put it in the shredder, if you call you will be admitting guilt. Otherwise nothing.

I remember when direct tv got a hold of names of thousands of people pirating their signal. They sent out letters asking people to fork over all their equipment and 5k dollars and everything will be forgotten or risk legal repercussions. Some actually did just that only to have DTV turn around and sue them for more. Those that did nothing got away scott free.
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Put it in the shredder, if you call you will be admitting guilt. Otherwise nothing....

I may be wrong but I think the BSA letter was sent certified/signed receipt, so they can't exactly claim "What letter?"
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Put it in the shredder, if you call you will be admitting guilt. Otherwise nothing.

I remember when direct tv got a hold of names of thousands of people pirating their signal. They sent out letters asking people to fork over all their equipment and 5k dollars and everything will be forgotten or risk legal repercussions. Some actually did just that only to have DTV turn around and sue them for more. Those that did nothing got away scott free.

Yup, I go that letter and they said I owed them $10k. I never replied, its been like 10 years since, no action.
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That doesn't mean an idiot won't believe it's valid. Non-compete clauses are illegal in AZ, but people think they're valid all the time since it is in the contract.

Still doesn't answer why there was no suit against the guy for doing it. If there were no memos telling him to do it, then there should be a case.

Will you win? Who knows, but I do know that it will destroy his life forever if he has 50K in bills. I'd say it's worth it, but then again, I was pretty vindictive with my students who tried to screw me.

They'd make a fairly small complaint, I'd file one 10 times worse on them. The Chicagoland way....

I'da done the same for the department I lead, except my employees love me. They treat me well, I treat them much better.


You sound like a Harlan Ellison fan

Driving in the spikes was one of his autobio works I read in Essential Ellison


http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Elli...3423661&sr=8-1
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:15 PM TheMorlock is offline  
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Morlock, recommend one good book by Harlan Ellison
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Old 09-20-2009, 03:23 AM Bukkakeboy is offline  
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You sound like a Harlan Ellison fan

Driving in the spikes was one of his autobio works I read in Essential Ellison


http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Elli...3423661&sr=8-1

Huh? No, I just grew up the streets. I learned loyalty and I learned to fight. I also learned, you don't fight a war (real or business) with rules. <-The US's mistake in Iraq and Afganistan.

Hell, my niece recently has been getting bullied at school. My brother spoke to the principal and asked he deal with it. The principal did nothing, like when I was a teacher. Well, last week we taught her that when a girl pulls her hair, she grab the girls hair and punch as close as you can to the hand you are holding her hair in. We told her to not stop punching till a teacher breaks it up.

Well, Friday when it happened, she did exactly that. Unfortunately as the teacher came over the girl my neice was punching fell on the ground. As the teacher grabbed her, my neice kicked that punk girl in the chest. Gave her a fat lip and a bloody nose.

Not bad for a 12 year old and will make life easier at the school for her. She'll be at home this week studying. It's hard when you are half white and half Mexican at a school full of Mexicans.

My personal favorite dirty screw you moment as a teacher was when a kid threatened to write a letter saying I "touched" him. So I planted a bamboo calligraphy pen in his backpack, called security and told them he was carrying a "shank."

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He got expelled and I got peace and quiet in my 3rd hour.

Thank God, I'm not teaching anymore.

That said, the medical department/office I manage, I pay above average wages, full medical insurance and make sure drug reps are bringing meals all the time (and I make sure they bring enough food that the MA are able to eat, not just the docs). The MAs worked hard, but they are treated well enough that I have per diem MA's calling asking for extra hours.

I will have to read that Ellison story sometime.
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Morlock, recommend one good book by Harlan Ellison

Anything. The Whimper of whipped dogs is one of my favorite short stories. Nice and dark.
The first and last story that ever got under my skin. I closed the cover on the book and sat still for about ten seconds just getting my head back together. My sister had the same reaction.

He makes the clive barkers of the world look like ham fisted hacks scribbling out their first assignment for creative writing class.
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Old 09-21-2009, 03:06 AM TheMorlock is offline  
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I may be wrong but I think the BSA letter was sent certified/signed receipt, so they can't exactly claim "What letter?"

You're not claiming you never got it, you are just not admitting you are doing anything wrong. You looked at the letter, OK, this doesnt apply to me, in the garbage it goes. If the company still believes you are hiding something they will pursue the matter further, but my hunch is they are just fishing.
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so tell us, how does a trade association, that is not a legal government entity, "audit" your company and "fine" you 25k?

most likely:
1) letter like this was sent
2) recipient either didn't comply or reply wasn't satisfactory
3) sender threatened or actually filed suit
4) settlement reached, where recipient agrees to pay $25k ("fine") and agrees to allow yearly audits.

You're right, they have no authority, on their own, to do anything other than threaten/file a civil suit.
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Any small/mid sized companies received a letter before and have anything to say? We have an employee that has threatened to do this and just wondering what steps are best to take. I dont want to go thru the hassle of an audit.
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:58 PM RiDDLeRThC is offline  
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Any small/mid sized companies received a letter before and have anything to say? We have an employee that has threatened to do this and just wondering what steps are best to take. I dont want to go thru the hassle of an audit.

as been said, the BSA is a trade association, not a law or civil enforcement entity. All they can do is file a civil suite against your company. You have to keep in mind that before that suite is filed, IF it's filed, the BSA will have to evaluate the reliability of the rat, how large or small is the infraction, and how large is the company, and how willing the company seems willing to aggressively refute the claims and possible lawsuit. I'm telling you, as far as this, the bean counters rule the day.
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