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Excellent rebuttal. You're certainly making realize that everything I had learned in my WWII History class was completely false.

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I see it in simple terms - the United States is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons to attack another country.

Civilians were needlessly killed in a truly awful way and there is no way nor reason to justify that. I have just as much disdain for my own people allowing the use of firebombing on German civilians and vice versa for the Germans allowing the attack of civilians in my country.

No doubt WW2 descended to that level of indiscriminate killing so don't confuse this as criticism aimed exclusively towards the United States, rather criticism aimed at those who feel a need to justify such actions and those who allowed it - the only difference is the US mainland was not attacked, American women and children were never bombed in their sleep which makes it more difficult for me to understand.
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Excellent rebuttal. You're certainly making realize that everything I had learned in my WWII History class was completely false.

You're like the Code[G]ayhem of the pit.

you are like free willy and ry goody's love child
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I see it in simple terms - the United States is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons to attack another country.

Civilians were needlessly killed in a truly awful way and there is no way nor reason to justify that. I have just as much disdain for my own people allowing the use of firebombing on German civilians and vice versa for the Germans allowing the attack of civilians in my country.

No doubt WW2 descended to that level of indiscriminate killing so don't confuse this as criticism aimed exclusively towards the United States, rather criticism aimed at those who feel a need to justify such actions and those who allowed it - the only difference is the US mainland was not attacked, American women and children were never bombed in their sleep which makes it more difficult for me to understand.


wow are you still in 6th grade?
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you are like free willy and ry goody's love child

Yeah, except I quote facts you ignorant dolt.
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Yeah, except I quote facts you ignorant dolt.

sorry , no you dont.

fact is that the emperor wanted to stop the war. But his genereals did not really believe in that divine right anymore.

After we dropped the first bomb we dropped leaflets FACT that said we would do it again and it wiped out an entire city FACT
The Japanese high command AS INTERVIEWED FACT said that those in real power sent out denials of the results of the first bomb. FACT. And vowed to defeat the US FACT. All of this is on paper I assume at least 40 years before you were born cupcake.

Now take your pathetic opinion that you think is fact and shove it up your cornholed ass
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sorry , no you dont.

fact is that the emperor wanted to stop the war. But his genereals did not really believe in that divine right anymore.

After we dropped the first bomb we dropped leaflets FACT that said we would do it again and it wiped out an entire city FACT
The Japanese high command AS INTERVIEWED FACT said that those in real power sent out denials of the results of the first bomb. FACT. And vowed to defeat the US FACT. All of this is on paper I assume at least 40 years before you were born cupcake.

Now take your pathetic opinion that you think is fact and shove it up your cornholed ass

It's not my opinion... it's the opinion of the US military leaders of WWII. You know, the ones who were there from start to finish, and knew the whole story? I know you don't remember because you were still in diapers you old senile dumbshit.
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Whats in bold is the most retarded thing i ever read on this forum.
ww2 level bombing accuracy did not exist.

There was something almost like accuracy that meant that it was possible to realize that what you were bombing was a city quite a few miles across with no military targets except for a few small AAA sites, and then stop that shit.

Face it, everyone got their hands dirty in that war. No hard feelings (after all, people you don't know killed people I don't know and vice versa long before we both were born), but that's the way it was.

Edits: Some more 'splainin: I'm not here because I'm pissed off that the Nazis lost. In fact, I'm rather glad, since this place turned out kinda OK, as did most of today's civilized world except for Russia and of course Japan; Russia is falling back to it's old ways, and Japan... well, you can buy used underwear in vending machines, that place is just fucked up. I do however believe that might most certainly does not make right, and also that some things are simply Not Done, like the total war concept, or the murder of large amounts of civilians (regardless of how it was done) to achieve a strategic goal, or the testing of biological weapons on hundreds of thousands of said civilians, or gulags, or nukes, or concentration camps. Shit is fucked up, as they say.
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It's not my opinion... it's the opinion of the US military leaders of WWII. You know, the ones who were there from start to finish, and knew the whole story? I know you don't remember because you were still in diapers you old senile dumbshit.

Wrong shit for brains. Its the redacted opinion blended with the New Truth.
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Wrong shit for brains. Its the redacted opinion blended with the New Truth.

You so remind me of Biff

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Idiot says what?

Your the fucking idiot here cockface. Your also a pussy.
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Excellent rebuttal. You're certainly making realize that everything I had learned in my WWII History class was completely false.

You're like the Code[G]ayhem of the pit.

and you're a fucking imbecile that only learned of the liberal side of the story as told to you by your liberal education. as has already been said, read a book read a book read a motherfuckin book, there is every reason to believe that the Japanese would have continued to fight until many hundreds of thousands if not millions more were killed. the fact that the emperor was still in power was in name only, it meant fucking NOTHING.. but you didn't know that, because your liberal teachings in school taught you that "nuclear bombs are bad and so are the people who use them".

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and you're a fucking imbecile that only learned of the liberal side of the story as told to you by your liberal education. as has already been said, read a book read a book read a motherfuckin book, there is every reason to believe that the Japanese would have continued to fight until many hundreds of thousands if not millions more were killed. the fact that the emperor was still in power was in name only, it meant fucking NOTHING.. but you didn't know that, because your liberal teachings in school taught you that "nuclear bombs are bad and so are the people who use them".

fuckin' moron

Surely you know more about the Japanese situation than Nimitz and Eisenhower. They were there. You read about it in a book fifty years later. I'm more inclined to believe the Fleet Admiral of the Pacific Theatre when he says that the bombs, from a military point of view, did not help us procure a surrender.

Look, this debate has gone on since the decision to drop the bombs was made. I doubt anything will be resolved in a short pit thread.
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Surely you know more about the Japanese situation than Nimitz and Eisenhower. They were there. You read about it in a book fifty years later.

you and I both have the exact same information available to us today, and neither of us were there or even alive when it happened, so shut the fuck up. i've read information from both sides, and the conclusion that any reasonable person would come to is that dropping the two bombs was in fact necessary to bring the war to a prompt end with the least loss of life. the fact that a couple of key people disagreed was not reason enough to halt it's usage.

granted, most people don't like the idea of using a weapon that is considered truly evil by most people, but face fucking facts here dude, the war was nowhere near over before the drop of the bomb. you're absolutely delusional if you think the war was almost over and the Japanese were just about to give up.

the fucking military leaders did everything they could to circumvent the emperor and keep fighting AFTER the first HORRIBLY destructive bomb fell, do you really think they were close to giving up BEFORE such a show of force? FUCK NO, they thought they had the will and the might to win the war. you're absolutely insane if you think the war would have ended shortly afterwards.

the facts are these: the bomb's purpose was to bring the war to a quick end, and it did exactly that. had it failed in that, you might have a better argument, but the simple fact is, the war fucking stopped. period. it's usage was justified.

edit to your edit: most historians believe that the usage of the bomb was justified and warranted based on the situation. period. those historians are right in this case.
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