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XM8 Program cancelled

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November 3, 2005: The XM8, the U.S. Army’s design for a new assault rifle and light machine-gun, has been cancelled. Actually, the project was put on hold last July. At the time, the reason was believed to be the ongoing debate over whether a new caliber (6.8mm was most often mentioned) should be adopted. While the XM8 used more modern engineering, and was lighter and more reliable, it was basically an improved M-16, just another 5.56mm assault rifle. Meanwhile, SOCOM adopted another new 5.56mm design (SCAR), while the U.S. Marine Corps decided to stay with the M-16 in the future. The XM8 may be revived, in another caliber. But for now, the army does not want to spend several billion bucks on a new assault rifle. Better to wait until the war in Iraq dies down, and radically new weapons, like the 25mm XM-25, hit the field, and pile up some combat experience. Basically, the army believes there are better alternatives than the XM8, but are not sure exactly what these alternatives are.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:58 AM ViriiK is offline  
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Well, it makes sense, they just got the contract for the M4's I think a year or 2 ago, and the Marine Corps as recently got the contract with FN to make m16 a4's. There was no real point, bad thing is, that they already spent all that money on the developent thus far....kind of a waste
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Well, it makes sense, they just got the contract for the M4's I think a year or 2 ago, and the Marine Corps as recently got the contract with FN to make m16 a4's. There was no real point, bad thing is, that they already spent all that money on the developent thus far....kind of a waste

It's just a drop in the bucket compared to how much was spent on the Comanche helicopter, Crusader self propelled artillery, and dozens of other programs over the years.

It had some cool features but in the end it didn't really bring anything new to the table. It was a bit lighter then the M4 and may have required slightly less cleaning, that's about it. The fact that it had common parts for several different versions might have saved some money in production but it's not like you were going to be able to turn the carbine version into a light machinegun in the field in a few seconds when you needed more firepower.


There's only so much they can do with a 5.56mm round. Until they develop something radically new the M4 will do just fine.
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I have wondered for awhile why a complete redesign was needed. Take a 5.56 case, neck it up to .25 caliber or 6.5mm, design an 85-90 grn bullet for it, get some nice fine ball powder to make maximum use of the case volume and try it out. Main thing is to get a bullet diameter big enough so it isn't too long so as not to reduce powder capacity. You could even go so far as to blow out the neck area a bit to increase volume. Just looking at the books you have a capacity of 30 -31 grns of fine powder and a velocity (estimated) of ~ 2800 fps from an 18" barrel. You keep the same receiver, magazines, bolt etc. All you would do is a barrel swap, issue new ammo and go to town. You might have to have a bit of mass added to the buffer. Just a thought while sittin in the can.
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My money says that in some form it will be back in a few years. HK sold the rights to GDLS, so I would imagine we'll see a competition between the HK 416 and the XM8 in the next few years.
Hopefully the military is taking this time to seriously consider going to 6.5 or 6.8.
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i was gonna post this a few days ago but i figured someone else would
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HK's already begun building the factory here in the States, ouch.
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HK's already begun building the factory here in the States, ouch.


HK sold the rights to General Dynamics Land Systems long before this announcement.
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Needs Moar SCAR:

now thems a gun I wanna see used
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SCAR is hideous

needs moar HK416 (there's a 417 coming out soon in 7.62 Nato also)

http://www.uploaderx.net/pics/HK416%...et_1_Large.jpg[
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SCAR is hideous

needs moar HK416 (there's a 417 coming out soon in 7.62 Nato also)

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looks pretty damn similar to me
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