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University at center of “Climategate” hit by second leak of old emails ahead of UN talks

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LONDON — The British university whose stolen emails caused a global climate science controversy in 2009 says those behind the breach have apparently released a second and potentially far larger batch of old messages.

University of East Anglia spokesman Simon Dunford said that while academics didn’t have the chance yet to examine the roughly 5,000 emails apparently dumped into the public domain Tuesday, a small sample examined by the university “appears to be genuine".

The university said in a statement that the emails did not appear to be the result of a new breach. Instead, the statement said that the emails appeared to have been stolen two years ago and held back until now “to cause maximum disruption” to the imminent U.N. climate talks next week in Durban, South Africa.

If that is confirmed, the timing and nature of the leak would follow the pattern set by the so-called “Climategate” emails, which caught prominent scientists stonewalling critics and discussing ways to keep opponents’ research out of peer-reviewed journals.

Those hostile to mainstream climate science claimed the exchanges proved that the threat of global warming was being hyped, and their publication helped destabilize the failed U.N. climate talks in Copenhagen, Denmark, which followed several weeks later.

Climategate also dealt a blow to the reputation of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit, which is one of the world’s leading centers for the study of how world temperatures have varied over time.

Although a host of reviews have since vindicated the unit’s science, some of its practices — in particular efforts to hide data from opponents — have come under strong criticism. The university says it is now much more open about what it does.

The content of the new batch of emails couldn’t be immediately verified — The Associated Press has not yet been able to secure a copy — but climate skeptic websites carried what they said were excerpts.

Although their context couldn’t be determined, the excerpts appeared to show climate scientists talking in conspiratorial tones about ways to promote their agenda and freeze out those they disagree with. There are several mentions of “the cause” and discussions of ways to shield emails from freedom of information requests.

Penn State University Prof. Michael Mann — a prominent player in the earlier controversy whose name also appears in the latest leak — described Tuesday’s development as “a truly pathetic episode,” blaming agents of the fossil fuel industry for “smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails.”

In an email to the AP, he said that the real story behind the leak was “an attempt to dig out 2-year-old turkey from Thanksgiving ‘09. That’s how desperate climate change deniers have become.”

Bob Ward, with the London School of Economics’ Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change, said in an email that he wasn’t surprised by the leak.

“The selective presentation of old email messages is clearly designed to mislead the public and politicians about the strength of the evidence for man-made climate change,” he said. “But the fact remains that there is very strong evidence that most the indisputable warming of the Earth over the past half century is due to the burning of fossil fuels and other human activities.”

The source of the latest leaked emails was unclear. The perpetrator of the original hack has yet to be unmasked, although British police have said their investigation is still active.
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Oh god, here we go again with retards thinking a couple snarky emails from ONE COLLEGE equals a global scientific conspiracy.

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Who cares about science and facts, we found an old email where someone was a dick!

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global warming is simple. what happens when there are too many people in one room? the room gets hot from everyone's body heat. the world is over populated. those fucking chinks have over a billion people. let's start there. take out 1/2 their population and the world's temperature will go down.

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yeah, lets apply some sense to this statement.

The earth's atmosphere's volume is 16,451,813,700,000,000,000 m^3

An average person's volume is 085 cubic meters or so

There are 6,840,507,000 people on earth

This leaves us with a total volume of 5,814,430,950 m^3 for all of humanity.

16,451,813,700,000,000,000 m^3 in the earths atmosphere
5,814,430,950 m^3 for all of humanity

Showing that human beings take up 1/2829479589th of the earths atmosphere..

Wait, wtf. That cant be right, thats way too much.

Going back through math

fixt it.
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aha, my atmosphere calculation was way way wrong
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yeah, lets apply some sense to this statement.

The earth's atmosphere's volume is 16,451,813,700,000,000,000 m^3

An average person's volume is 085 cubic meters or so

There are 6,840,507,000 people on earth

This leaves us with a total volume of 5,814,430,950 m^3 for all of humanity.

16,451,813,700,000,000,000 m^3 in the earths atmosphere
5,814,430,950 m^3 for all of humanity

Showing that human beings take up 1/2829479589th of the earths atmosphere..

Wait, wtf. That cant be right, thats way too much.

Going back through math

fixt it.

this doesn't take into account the carbon footprint those people leave by consuming products on a daily basis.
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this doesn't take into account the carbon footprint those people leave by consuming products on a daily basis.

yeah, it's not just the humans. it's their cars, their houses, their offices, the trucks that bring everything they use, eat and consume, the impact of all the livestock we raise for meat, the power plants that make everything run, the drilling, shipping and refining of fuels that make all the vehicles and power plants run, etc, etc, etc...

also, at the same time we are clearing forests and destroying the oceans reducing the earths ability to collect and sequester the increasing amounts of carbon we are releasing.
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This was why the first Climategate caused such repercussions. The revelations came as little surprise to those few who follow state of temperature reconstructions, but they rocked supporters who had put their trust in climate scientists. Clive Crook, a believer in the manmade global warming hypothesis and supporter of carbon reduction measures, expressed it like this:

“The closed-mindedness of these supposed men of science, their willingness to go to any lengths to defend a preconceived message, is surprising even to me. The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering.”
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yeah, it's not just the humans. it's their cars, their houses, their offices, the trucks that bring everything they use, eat and consume, the impact of all the livestock we raise for meat, the power plants that make everything run, the drilling, shipping and refining of fuels that make all the vehicles and power plants run, etc, etc, etc...

also, at the same time we are clearing forests and destroying the oceans reducing the earths ability to collect and sequester the increasing amounts of carbon we are releasing.

and the sequestering of carbon in our raised crops and carbon deposited in landfills from our massive ammounts of waste paper. And the kill off of the billions of farting shitting bison. etc etc etc.

get a grip on something besides AGW dick.

Just because Duke Nukem Forever finally got released does not mean that AGW will make the cut as well.
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and the sequestering of carbon in our raised crops and carbon deposited in landfills from our massive ammounts of waste paper. And the kill off of the billions of farting shitting bison. etc etc etc.

get a grip on something besides AGW dick.

Just because Duke Nukem Forever finally got released does not mean that AGW will make the cut as well.

And, carbon aside, the significant change in albedo both from *increased* forest coverage and irrigation of arid landscapes.
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A small recap for fuck;youforprovingimaloser on why AGW "science" has been demolished.

AGW "FACT" it takes over 100 years to sequester the co2 released from burning fossil fuels

Real fact: Atmospheric C12-C14 ratios show that the upper limit for sequestration of fossil CO2 is less than 30 years

AGW "FACT" :MWP was a fluke "weather" pattern that only affected a small area and did not reflect global climate.

Real fact: Arctic Antarctic and now Greenland Ice cores show that the MWP was global.

AGW "FACT" Solar variance is back burner to co2 forcing.

Real fact solar variance has been tracked since the 1600's and has always shown a level of correlation that can not be separated from causation.

Real fact most recent top of their field stellar physicists describing the solar activity present during a solar minimum that they believe causes the lack of sunspots, mentioned the coincidental* decrease in the volume of the earths atmosphere Due To Cooling.

AGW "FACT" A doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere compared to pre industrial era levels WILL increase global temps by 5C

Real fact : Two NASA climate scientists no longer afraid of publishing real science stated that the worst case scenario for a doubling of co2 is a 1.2C rise and that they are still looking through other data that AGW scientists discarded to get their false figures.

Happy New Year.

*dont let fuckyourforprovingimaloser misrepresent coincidental.

Now keep pretending it's one discrete fact from some lone blogger mmmkay you pathetic failure?

For the rational people. One of the most important aspects of actual science is falsification. The ability to apply observed/experimental fact against a claim and if it contradicts the claim, the supposition/theory needs to be modified or wholly discarded when it is completely untenable. If you make "arguments" such as it is because it is then it is not science. Also when something has been falsified over and over in part and in whole as AGW has been... well. Look in a mirror and see the Christ Child ReBorn!!!
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And, carbon aside, the significant change in albedo both from *increased* forest coverage and irrigation of arid landscapes.

You are supposed to pretend that North America does not have more forestation than when the pilgrims landed. Remember the American Indians(that would be me) were one with the land(slash and burn agriculture) and treated all the animals like people(drove 5 thousand plus bison over cliffs in a stampede to get meat skins and other material from 6 or7) and walked through a forest that was twice as dense as those in Avatar because they were peaceful and only fucked when the forest could support them.
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A small recap for fuck;youforprovingimaloser on why AGW "science" has been demolished.

AGW "FACT" it takes over 100 years to sequester the co2 released from burning fossil fuels

Real fact: Atmospheric C12-C14 ratios show that the upper limit for sequestration of fossil CO2 is less than 30 years

AGW "FACT" :MWP was a fluke "weather" pattern that only affected a small area and did not reflect global climate.

Real fact: Arctic Antarctic and now Greenland Ice cores show that the MWP was global.

AGW "FACT" Solar variance is back burner to co2 forcing.

Real fact solar variance has been tracked since the 1600's and has always shown a level of correlation that can not be separated from causation.

Real fact most recent top of their field stellar physicists describing the solar activity present during a solar minimum that they believe causes the lack of sunspots, mentioned the coincidental* decrease in the volume of the earths atmosphere Due To Cooling.

AGW "FACT" A doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere compared to pre industrial era levels WILL increase global temps by 5C

Real fact : Two NASA climate scientists no longer afraid of publishing real science stated that the worst case scenario for a doubling of co2 is a 1.2C rise and that they are still looking through other data that AGW scientists discarded to get their false figures.

Happy New Year.

*dont let fuckyourforprovingimaloser misrepresent coincidental.

Now keep pretending it's one discrete fact from some lone blogger mmmkay you pathetic failure?

For the rational people. One of the most important aspects of actual science is falsification. The ability to apply observed/experimental fact against a claim and if it contradicts the claim, the supposition/theory needs to be modified or wholly discarded when it is completely untenable. If you make "arguments" such as it is because it is then it is not science. Also when something has been falsified over and over in part and in whole as AGW has been... well. Look in a mirror and see the Christ Child ReBorn!!!

Either I'm high as balls or just retarded, but what the hell are you arguing for ?
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Either I'm high as balls or just retarded, but what the hell are you arguing for ?

The sun got hot. The earth got hot
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The sun got cold. The earth got cold

CO2 has little effect

Hockey stick "Prooved" AGW was real. BUT the paper that presented the Hockey Stick failed peer review. The person that killed it is now claimed as a Blogger with no merit. by AGW "Believers" The AGW "scientists" also completely erased the MWP to be able to make the hockey stick as well as eliminating the little ice age.

AGW relies almost totally on CO2 amplification of any other event.
No real science supports it.

Real == falsifiable.

AGW is not falsifiable because each and every facet that gets disproved is counted as a minor stumble/misinterpretation and the next OH LOOK SHINY flag is waved in front of people that dont know any better Including people that think the jar of co2 on their desk is the same as umpty billion cubic miles of atmosphere.

then we have fuckyouforprovingimaloser who is as bad as and probably is the same guy that thought Bush altered earths gravity to make the twin towers fall fasssssster than a penny in vacuum.

Its an amusing pastime to show that we are insignificant.
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The sun got hot. The earth got hot
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The sun got cold. The earth got cold

CO2 has little effect

Hockey stick "Prooved" AGW was real. BUT the paper that presented the Hockey Stick failed peer review. The person that killed it is now claimed as a Blogger with no merit. by AGW "Believers" The AGW "scientists" also completely erased the MWP to be able to make the hockey stick as well as eliminating the little ice age.

AGW relies almost totally on CO2 amplification of any other event.
No real science supports it.

Real == falsifiable.

AGW is not falsifiable because each and every facet that gets disproved is counted as a minor stumble/misinterpretation and the next OH LOOK SHINY flag is waved in front of people that dont know any better Including people that think the jar of co2 on their desk is the same as umpty billion cubic miles of atmosphere.

then we have fuckyouforprovingimaloser who is as bad as and probably is the same guy that thought Bush altered earths gravity to make the twin towers fall fasssssster than a penny in vacuum.

Its an amusing pastime to show that we are insignificant.
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