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There was a whole page of this in our newspaper today (The Sydney Morning Herald), and the guy at the top was saying that there's about one in ten chance that this thing will explode. Also, they have discovered that 1900's virus never actually mutated with a human virus, and instead just jumped straight from birds. Scary
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Bush to meet with vaccine makers



October 7, 2005


WASHINGTON -- President Bush summoned vaccine manufacturers to a White House meeting today, hoping to boost the rickety industry amid increasing fears of a worldwide outbreak of bird flu.

This month, vaccine maker Sanofi-Pasteur, a unit of Sanofi Aventis SA, begins the first mass production of a new vaccine to protect against bird flu, producing $100 million worth of inoculations for a government stockpile.

But it would take months to create a new vaccine from scratch if a different strain of bird flu than today's, known as H5N1, emerges.

The nation has only three main manufacturers of vaccine against the regular flu each winter. Bush called together the heads of major vaccine companies ''to press ahead to expand our manufacturing capacity for a vaccine to address this risk,'' White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday.

Later this month, the Bush administration will issue updated plans to deal with a pandemic. AP

From http://www.suntimes.com/output/healt...ws-bird07.html

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While birdflu is very scary, Sars was still media hype.
it only killed old people, and people with compromised immune systems.

If it was as potent as media reports made it seem, the actions of the government to try to contain it would have been much less effective.

It was still fairly contagious though. I had to do a paper about computer simulations and one case study we examined was models of SARS spreading in an apartment complex. The stuff got in one bathroom on a higher floor, and a plume of virus-laden aerosol spread it through the vent system, to the outside and even into nearby buildings where it infected other residents. China seems to have clamped down on it quite well though, hopefully it doesn't come to that with this other shit.

Edit: I should say, the model was a recreation of events that actually transpired. Not some theoretical thing. (Yu, Li, Wong & Tam 2004, in the NE Journal of Medicine)
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if it only kills old and weak people, what are we, a demographic group primarily made up of healthy 18-25 year old males, worrying about?
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if it only kills old and weak people, what are we, a demographic group primarily made up of healthy 18-25 year old males, worrying about?


um parents and grand parents need luff too

edit: read my title
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if it only kills old and weak people, what are we, a demographic group primarily made up of healthy 18-25 year old males, worrying about?
The Spanish Flu of 1918 was not restricted to the elderly, the weak, and children in terms of mortality.
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The Spanish Flu of 1918 was not restricted to the elderly, the weak, and children in terms of mortality.

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Actually, Tamiflu does not work anymore at all. If your interested maybe I can find the link, but its on a newer news story.

The National Geographic article mentioned that Tamiflu was pretty much useless in some of the Asian cases. If this bug goes global new drugs might have to be created to combat it.



And the Spanish Flu was unusual in that it killed healthy people just as well as infirm/young. Worldwide the estimates on mortality range from 2.4 to 11% depending on which study you pick, and in some cases entire cities' populations were elimated - killed to the last man.

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The Spanish Flu of 1918 was not restricted to the elderly, the weak, and children in terms of mortality.

you really think this could escalate to such a state?

that cant be true; if it was, we'd all be panicking
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you really think this could escalate to such a state?

that cant be true; if it was, we'd all be panicking

Yes, it could. Immunologists are worried that it's trying to.

Panic is irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, and saying that it can't be true or everyone would be panicking souns a wee bit silly. It's like saying "that gun can't kill me because I'd be afraid if it could!" when someone with a visibly loaded revolver points it at you.

Right now the responses from medical folks that deal with hazardous pathogens are what would be considered controlled panic, of the same sort EOC personnel go into when they know a major hurricane will hit them in about 12 hours.

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can someone give cliffs? I have heard bits and pieces of this story but not all the details..
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can someone give cliffs? I have heard bits and pieces of this story but not all the details..
1. Avian bird flu is the next big pandemic most likely.
2. No real defense against it.
3. Could kill up to 150 million people
4. Yes this time it's actually that bad, it's not some sort of SARS-like fake story where nothing will happen. It's almost a guarantee.
5. That doesn't mean you have to get all sandy vagined about it though.
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1. Avian bird flu is the next big pandemic most likely.
2. No real defense against it.
3. Could kill up to 150 million people
4. Yes this time it's actually that bad, it's not some sort of SARS-like fake story where nothing will happen. It's almost a guarantee.
5. That doesn't mean you have to get all sandy vagined about it though.

where is it? I mean Asia, North America etc.. I know it will most likely spread, but where is it most concentrated?
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can someone give cliffs? I have heard bits and pieces of this story but not all the details..

Most flu does not kill you. It weakens you to the point where something else kills you if you have an already weak/undeveloped immune system

bird flu is bad

Bird flue like the 1918 flu directly kills you.

bird flu rapidly spreads through bird populations

Bird flu keeps jumping species from bird to man and bird to pig and IIRC pig to man due to mutation.

It has yet to be shown that it can be spread man to man. But all it will take is the right mutation in one strain infecting one person to make it spread man to man.

Chinks used human flu treatments to control bird flu in poultry flocks. Bird flu is now resistant to human flu treatment meds.

Then if it retains it's lethality half a billion people will die in a couple months time.

eggheads recreated 1918 flu and will use it and bird flu to try to find better flu meds
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where is it? I mean Asia, North America etc.. I know it will most likely spread, but where is it most concentrated?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_flu
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