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Sony talks evolution of gaming brand

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article...27/169423/?P=1

focus seems to be moving to a more open platform. sounds great to me. PS3 is already the most open console -- sounds like they plan to expand on that. maybe we'll see Home on PC, or perhaps standalone blu-ray players will have access to the video store.

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i don't have any first hand experience with the ps3 but from what i have read it is probably the best computer sony ever made (or at least tied with the z505 laptop).

i worked on one of their computers a few weeks ago that had a 120GB HDD. just to make sure that no one forgot that sony is a electronics maker first and a computer manufacturer second they partitioned the hdd with 10GB for the os and the rest on a seperate partition. it was as if that 6GB for os and bundled software would never be updated and never need more space.
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i don't have any first hand experience with the ps3 but from what i have read it is probably the best computer sony ever made (or at least tied with the z505 laptop).

i worked on one of their computers a few weeks ago that had a 120GB HDD. just to make sure that no one forgot that sony is a electronics maker first and a computer manufacturer second they partitioned the hdd with 10GB for the os and the rest on a seperate partition. it was as if that 6GB for os and bundled software would never be updated and never need more space.

I had a Sony Vaio that just recently died. I never was able to update XP to service pack 2 because of that stupidity. I do <3 my PS3 though. It recognized practically every USB device I've plugged into it and region free gaming is great.
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I just wish Linux on the PS3 has more access to some of it's power, then it might have the chance to be the best thing to happen to homebrew on consoles since the modded Xbox.
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All my PS3-hate aside, it's hard consider the PS3 as the most open console until it has a comparative SDK like Microsoft's XNA that allows indie developers to publish direct at low cost (no major upfront development costs).

It has some distance to cover.
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All my PS3-hate aside, it's hard consider the PS3 as the most open console until it has a comparative SDK like Microsoft's XNA that allows indie developers to publish direct at low cost (no major upfront development costs).

It has some distance to cover.

everything ultimately has to go through microsoft to get available for download. just because indie developers get their games sometimes onto xbox live does not make it the most open console. ps3 definitely has the advantage on homebrew developement.
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everything ultimately has to go through microsoft to get available for download. just because indie developers get their games sometimes onto xbox live does not make it the most open console. ps3 definitely has the advantage on homebrew developement.

How so? Because you can load Linux on the box? While I agree that's neat for the enthusiast, who really is going to load Linux on their PS3 simply to run homebrew applications? Yet alone pay for anything like that?

There's no readily available devkit (you can test/deploy XNA games directly to an off the shelf 360) that doesn't require quite an investment. It used to be more than $10,000 (http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/19/s...-cost-by-half/), and now still stands at a hefty $2,000 (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/24/s...in-developers/) just to buy into the program and get a compiler and documentation.

And the price drop to $2,000 is only recent. XNA has been around for a while, with the Live Community feature being brought up over the past holiday season.

Check this out: http://www.slideshare.net/simoniker/...ales-stats-101

Like Microsoft, the only ways to get your game published to the PSN is to -

a.) Deal directly with Sony and be published by them. Same deal you mentioned above, screening happens

b.) Sign up with a developer that works with Sony and be published by them. Different royalty structure, different content screening

c.) Deal direct with Sony as a third party (requires a great deal of back end infrastructure - so someone developing games as a moonlighter is essentially limited from this method).


Finally, this is kinda funny: http://criminalcrackdown.blogspot.co...otherfuck.html
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you guys make it sound like having a review process for games to be available on the XBL and PSN are bad things.

I shudder to imagine all the stupid low price games that would flood the systems like the itunes.
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you guys make it sound like having a review process for games to be available on the XBL and PSN are bad things.

I shudder to imagine all the stupid low price games that would flood the systems like the itunes.


True, the App store is loaded with shit
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you guys make it sound like having a review process for games to be available on the XBL and PSN are bad things.

I shudder to imagine all the stupid low price games that would flood the systems like the itunes.

don't have to imagine, just spend a bit of time browsing XNA community games on 360... let's just say i haven't bought any yet.

still, XNA is a great idea. i hope MS improves it and i hope sony looks into competing with it. with the right deployment environment and organization, a semi-open but closed game/app development platform can be great (i think iphone's doing a pretty good job).

while the argument could be made that XNA does increase how open the platform is, microsoft is still being nazis when it comes to accessory support and even simple things like a web browser.

linux on PS3 isn't a perfect solution, but it's also been the driving factor behind individual and institutions using their PS3s in open and free ways -- doing research, rendering complex lighting models real-time, whatever. for me, it was nice having linux on PS3 as a temporary backup when my laptop (and at that time, only PC) died on me.

i don't use linux on my PS3 anymore, but i benefit from how open it is, even in the standard PS3 OS, daily. coupled with PS3mediaServer, it's the superior media streaming device. i use the same USB headset i use with my PC or the same bluetooth headset i can use with my cellphone. my primary arcade stick that i built myself works on PC and PS3 because PS3 uses the open HID platform (360 uses the proprietary XID format). if i want to look something up on the net, PS3s web browser does the job (especially when used with a kb/m). kb/m isn't hard-limited to the OS/web browser -- a few games use it for chat and UT3 supports kb/m straight up for gameplay (feels just like PC) -- the hardware support from sony is there, it's just that game developers haven't been allowing it in large numbers. UT3 also brings up another example of sony being open -- mod support. UT3 PS3, unlike 360, supports all sorts of mods just like the PC version.

and what's great, and what is the point of this thread, is that it seems like PS3 will continue to expand on this openness because it sounds like sony has realized the advantages to giving up overbearing control over how their customers use their products.

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don't have to imagine, just spend a bit of time browsing XNA community games on 360... let's just say i haven't bought any yet.

still, XNA is a great idea. i hope MS improves it and i hope sony looks into competing with it. with the right deployment environment and organization, a semi-open but closed game/app development platform can be great (i think iphone's doing a pretty good job).

while the argument could be made that XNA does increase how open the platform is, microsoft is still being nazis when it comes to accessory support and even simple things like a web browser.

linux on PS3 isn't a perfect solution, but it's also been the driving factor behind individual and institutions using their PS3s in open and free ways -- doing research, rendering complex lighting models real-time, whatever. for me, it was nice having linux on PS3 as a temporary backup when my laptop (and at that time, only PC) died on me.

i don't use linux on my PS3 anymore, but i benefit from how open it is, even in the standard PS3 OS, daily. coupled with PS3mediaServer, it's the superior media streaming device. i use the same USB headset i use with my PC or the same bluetooth headset i can use with my cellphone. my primary arcade stick that i built myself works on PC and PS3 because PS3 uses the open HID platform (360 uses the proprietary XID format). if i want to look something up on the net, PS3s web browser does the job (especially when used with a kb/m). kb/m isn't hard-limited to the OS/web browser -- a few games use it for chat and UT3 supports kb/m straight up for gameplay (feels just like PC) -- the hardware support from sony is there, it's just that game developers haven't been allowing it in large numbers. UT3 also brings up another example of sony being open -- mod support. UT3 PS3, unlike 360, supports all sorts of mods just like the PC version.

and what's great, and what is the point of this thread, is that it seems like PS3 will continue to expand on this openness because it sounds like sony has realized the advantages to giving up overbearing control over how their customers use their products.


Trust me, I am not disagreeing. I love my PS3, I hated on it when it came out because it was hella expensive and had shit for games on it. But since i picked one up last summer for cheap (thank you point cards!) i love the system. The thing for me, that makes the system so worth it is the fact that there are no region locks on games. Its a big issue when you are a native English speaker in Japan, Many games i can do in Japanese... but games like Oblivion are a little beyond my Japanese.

Also, the Media capabilities are awesome as you stated. I hope they open the system up even more. I would like to see the system reconize my external hard drive for starters, or have more in depth user customization. My only complaint with my ps3 is that i am tied to the Japanese game store, which sucks (dont know about the american store, but the japanese store holds nothing on the American Xbox360 store)
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Trust me, I am not disagreeing. I love my PS3, I hated on it when it came out because it was hella expensive and had shit for games on it. But since i picked one up last summer for cheap (thank you point cards!) i love the system. The thing for me, that makes the system so worth it is the fact that there are no region locks on games. Its a big issue when you are a native English speaker in Japan, Many games i can do in Japanese... but games like Oblivion are a little beyond my Japanese.

Also, the Media capabilities are awesome as you stated. I hope they open the system up even more. I would like to see the system reconize my external hard drive for starters, or have more in depth user customization. My only complaint with my ps3 is that i am tied to the Japanese game store, which sucks (dont know about the american store, but the japanese store holds nothing on the American Xbox360 store)

format your drive in fat32 and it should recognize it. i'd definitely recommend you register an american PSN account -- only thing JPN PSN excells in is PSX classics. as an american taking my sixth semester japanese final tomorrow morning, the lack of region protection is also great for me . i'll be in japan on the 20th actually -- can't wait to pick up yakuza 3 while i'm there (i won't be able to read everything in the game, i'm going to use it as a self-study).

reminds me of a huge request of mine -- i wish Home was region free. specifically, i wish i could go to JPN home with my US account/avatar. i hope to use Home as a convenient way to pick up more conversational japanese, but not being able to use my main account has made me reluctant to log on often.
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format your drive in fat32 and it should recognize it. i'd definitely recommend you register an american PSN account -- only thing JPN PSN excells in is PSX classics. as an american taking my sixth semester japanese final tomorrow morning, the lack of region protection is also great for me . i'll be in japan on the 20th actually -- can't wait to pick up yakuza 3 while i'm there (i won't be able to read everything in the game, i'm going to use it as a self-study).

reminds me of a huge request of mine -- i wish Home was region free. specifically, i wish i could go to JPN home with my US account/avatar. i hope to use Home as a convenient way to pick up more conversational japanese, but not being able to use my main account has made me reluctant to log on often.


What part are you going to? I was there over the past Christmas/New Years season. Love that place, so fun. Spent that entire trip in Tokyo, but it was the second time in the country for me.
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What part are you going to? I was there over the past Christmas/New Years season. Love that place, so fun. Spent that entire trip in Tokyo, but it was the second time in the country for me.

2nd trip for me as well -- this time i'll be staying in tokyo for about a week. had a friend do a semester over there last year so he's hooking me up with places to go and people to meet. should be fun
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the idea that the 360 is more open than ps3 because the SDK is cheaper is downright laughable, when the 360 lets me choose a web browser, a media extender app, and get playback for more than the most rudimentary media file formats then it'll be CLOSE to even.
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