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Nice find jubjub. Just more damning evidence against the "man-made" gw fad.

Did you miss the fact that the petition is from 1998, and most of the signatures are from that era?

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A spokesman for the Royal Society, Britain’s national academy of science, said: “The world’s leading climate experts at the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change believe that it is greater than 90 per cent likely that human activity is responsible for most of the observed warming in recent decades. That is a pretty strong consensus.

“The science has come a long way since 1998 and it continues to point in one direction - the need to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to avert dangerous climate change.”
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lol
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...e_and_Medicine
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WHEN WILL YOU STOP THE JUNK SCIENCE AND PROPAGANDA CLIMATE CHANGE PROPONENTS?
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Did you miss the fact that the petition is from 1998, and most of the signatures are from that era?

Started in '98, and acquired signatures from there on. And it was brought up again last year to prove no consensus. Apparently you "conveniently" missed those facts.

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The petition was reissued last year by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, an independent research group, partly in response to Al Gore’s film on climate change, An Inconvenient Truth.

Its president, Arthur Robinson, said: "If this many American scientists will sign this petition, you certainly can’t continue to contend that there is a consensus on this subject."
31K + 400 before the Senate lays to rest any "consensus" of "man-made" gw. And of course there are more skeptics of Gore's junk science every day.
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...e_and_Medicine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_...on#Signatories
WHEN WILL YOU STOP THE JUNK SCIENCE AND PROPAGANDA CLIMATE CHANGE PROPONENTS?


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When questioned in 1998, OISM's Arthur Robinson admitted that only 2,100 signers of the Oregon Petition had identified themselves as physicists, geophysicists, climatologists, or meteorologists, "and of those the greatest number are physicists." This grouping of fields concealed the fact that only a few dozen, at most, of the signatories were drawn from the core disciplines of climate science - such as meteorology, oceanography, and glaciology - and almost none were climate specialists. The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all. When the Oregon Petition first circulated, in fact, environmental activists successfully added the names of several fictional characters and celebrities to the list, including John Grisham, Michael J. Fox, Drs. Frank Burns, B. J. Honeycutt, and Benjamin Pierce (from the TV show M*A*S*H), an individual by the name of "Dr. Red Wine," and Geraldine Halliwell, formerly known as pop singer Ginger Spice of the Spice Girls. Halliwell's field of scientific specialization was listed as "biology." Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.
That's one awesomely compelling petition right thar!
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That's one awesomely compelling petition right thar!
BUT BUT BUT OMG AL GORE!!!!
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STILL WANT PROOF???? IT'S 99F RIGHT NOW AND RISING! http://www.weather.com/weather/local...from=whatwhere

Of course this isn't unusual for June in Texas....and last summer was one of the coolest on record...
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Of course this isn't unusual for June in Texas....and last summer was one of the coolest on record...
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Nice find jubjub. Just more damning evidence against the "man-made" gw fad.

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lol. You just throw out that fad thing whenever you don't have any excuses beyond "IT'S MY OPINION" don't you? Anthropogenic climate change is not a fad or a scam for money, that's not anything but a complete joke when the only fad has been ignorant conservatives like yourself fighting against the theory of man caused climate change because it's associated with "liberal" causes like environmentalism, having your opinions backed up by a small minority of scientists who are most probably wrong and many who are funded by coal and oil companies. You can keep pretending like you've proven it wrong with refuted and out of date data but reality is going to bite you in the ass eventually...well maybe other people will see how wrong you where anyway.



All of your opinions about politics (And I suspect just about everything else outside of whatever greasy trade it is you ply) are completely worthless and you're a moron.


nice try. Oh lets see you must not have been around for the ZOMG the Earth is going To Freeze fad that predated the global warming fad. But you must have caught part of the ZOMG I Have Proof Of Dinosaurs Being Warmblooded 50 mph TRex fad.


There is simply no supporting evidence of any TREND of continuing warming. Fact is as pointed out over and over, Seas are cooler Atomosphere is colder and antarctic Ice mass is greater(that last one is the result of a change in a 1000 year trend)

get it yet?
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antarctic Ice mass is greater(that last one is the result of a change in a 1000 year trend)

According to a 2005 NASA-funded study (http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0522.html), warmer temperatures have caused greater snowfall around the continent's edges, where the open oceans provide plenty of raw material for precipitation. (Warmer air absorbs moisture more readily.) The weight of that excess snow pushes sheets of sea ice down into the water, causing more water to freeze.

The incremental expansion of Antarctica's sea ice has coincided with some more troubling changes. Four of the continent's largest glaciers (whose fates are largely unrelated to that of sea ice) are retreating rapidly(http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...315161053.htm), and researchers blame increases in ocean temperature. The diminishment of such massive glaciers means that, despite the slow creep forward of the continent's sea ice, the total mass of all Antarctic ice—which includes inland ice—has experienced a marked decrease(http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...ctic_ice.html). And a continuation of that trend could lead to significant rises in global sea levels. Furthermore, snow is melting much farther inland than ever(http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...snowmelt.html), as well as high up in the Transantarctic Mountains(http://www.antarcticconnection.com/a...untains.shtml).
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Been there done that Gibonius.

A:It's not peripheral ice. It's interior ice rivers that had been retreating for a thousand years that are now moving at breakneck speed(for a glacier) twoards the ocean.

B: Told the idiots here a dozen years ago when they pointed to percieved loss of ice pack on high altitude glaciers that it is a sign of global cooling, not warming due to No Possible change in temps Far above treeline from early warming that could cause melting(a .5 c change at sea level does not offset -40 c at mountaintop. And that increased moisture would be deposited if global warming were true.

that any loss of high altitude Ice mass had to be from global cooling since less moisture in the air can not offset subliminal evaporation.


Once again
Seas are colder

Air is colder

Ice mass is increasing

Once again

1985 called and is looking for it's 5C increase and 14 foot sea level rise. Oh Yeah the one Al gore is predicting once again. Maybe if someone makes the same prediction for the next 2000 years they can dig me up and say SEE I TOLD YOU!!! when it actually happens.
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evaporative sublimation even
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Well, any motivation for becoming independant of middle-eastern oil companies is positive in my opinion, real or not.

that's at least one positive of the climbing gas prices. it's motivating the motor industries to put more money into oil-alternatives.
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Well, any motivation for becoming independant of middle-eastern oil companies is positive in my opinion, real or not.

that's at least one positive of the climbing gas prices. it's motivating the motor industries to put more money into oil-alternatives.

so kill the ecofreaks so we can drill in anwar(sp) and double our domestic production
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According to a 2005 NASA-funded study (http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl0522.html), warmer temperatures have caused greater snowfall around the continent's edges, where the open oceans provide plenty of raw material for precipitation. (Warmer air absorbs moisture more readily.) The weight of that excess snow pushes sheets of sea ice down into the water, causing more water to freeze.

The incremental expansion of Antarctica's sea ice has coincided with some more troubling changes. Four of the continent's largest glaciers (whose fates are largely unrelated to that of sea ice) are retreating rapidly(http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...315161053.htm), and researchers blame increases in ocean temperature. The diminishment of such massive glaciers means that, despite the slow creep forward of the continent's sea ice, the total mass of all Antarctic ice—which includes inland ice—has experienced a marked decrease(http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006...ctic_ice.html). And a continuation of that trend could lead to significant rises in global sea levels. Furthermore, snow is melting much farther inland than ever(http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...snowmelt.html), as well as high up in the Transantarctic Mountains(http://www.antarcticconnection.com/a...untains.shtml).

Fortunately though, the oceans have been cooling:

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Something isn’t following the Greenhouse script. The oceans, which contain 80 to 90 percent of the planet’s heat, have recently stopped warming! Over the past 4-5 years, “there has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant,” Josh Willis of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory recently told National Public Radio. Nothing very significant-except the ocean warming trend has stopped?! This, in the midst of the biggest furor over global temperatures and climate overheating in human history? Willis monitors the data from a nifty new set of Argo ocean buoys. They not only record sea surface temperatures but periodically dive 3,000 feet under water and record sub-surface temperatures as they rise back up. These wonderful new Argo floats say the oceans have been cooling slightly for the past 4-5 years, instead of accentuating a continuing global warming trend.

But how can the ocean warming stop? Greenhouse gases have continued to spew from Chinese factories. Even Europe’s Kyoto-bound economies are still increasing their greenhouse emissions. There should be no relief from the planet’s heating. Except that over the last 13 months, the earth’s thermometers have dropped for the first time in 30 years. Three global monitoring sites measured a decline of 0.5 to 0.7 degree C. Now we learn that the ocean warming stopped even earlier, 4-5 years ago.

We should have been expecting this, because the sunspot index turned down nine years ago. There’s a 79 percent correlation between the sunspots and the earth’s sea-surface temperatures—with roughly a ten-year lag. Is ten years the time required for the oceans to respond to changes on the sun?

There is nothing in the climate record that ties the earth’s temperatures to CO2 levels. Al Gore’s movie showed Antarctic ice core temperatures and CO2 moving closely together through four different Ice Ages. Gore implied that more CO2 leads to higher temperatures. But Gore reversed cause and effect. Three different Antarctic studies show the temperatures change 800-1200 years before the CO2 levels. Higher temperatures cause more CO2 in the air, not the other way around.

It’s unthinkable, but what if there’s no “extra heat” being trapped by CO2 right now? What if CO2 levels don’t matter much? What if the earth is starting to cool in response to the sun’s declining level of activity? What an inconvenient truth.
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