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I had a pill problem for 7 years or so. The only thing I can say is people cant quit unless they want to. Your sister probably likes her habit and without an intervention you really dont have any hope at least from my experience.
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Old 05-01-2010, 01:10 AM huxley is offline  
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Has anyone proven that she is usiing heroin?
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First Step: Talk to her. There are plenty pf other drugs she could be using a syringe for and you damn well better hope its not heroin.

After that, if she does not want to quit, she won't. I have lived through serious drug addiction myself and also watched my step father die to an old heroin addition. There is really nothing you can do.

Having been in a serious treatment environment I have met a lot of heroin addicts. It is the hardest to quit and honestly I only know one man who has never gone back.

if it is heroin, a 90 day treatment center is not going to do shit. If she really wants to quit, it will be a good jump start. Sad fact is she probably does not want to quit yet.

If she has not lost everything, its not over.
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:52 PM De7|ro|i7 is offline  
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She probably won't quit until she's tired of it and the lifestyle she'll have while using it. With some people it takes a couple of years and with others it could take more than 10 years.

That being said, getting clean without wanting to is still a good thing. Find support groups and consider rehab center. I'd also suggest researching Ibogaine.
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Insulin shot for diabetes?

This was exactly the only thing I could think of when I tried to imagine what else it could be used for, which has been suggested like 20x it seems.

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jumping to conclusions, although she's acting sketchy from what you describe.

needles are used for lots of other things, not just drugs.

Yeap - never ends. Please folks, tell me what else needle is used for other than drawing blood for professional work, or related to diabetes (which obviously isn't the case)

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She probably won't quit until she's tired of it and the lifestyle she'll have while using it. With some people it takes a couple of years and with others it could take more than 10 years.

That being said, getting clean without wanting to is still a good thing. Find support groups and consider rehab center. I'd also suggest researching Ibogaine.

Read a lot about Ibogaine, very cool suggestion. Though sadly, the first thing I read was not sold in the US. Any idea of how easy it would be to obtain something like that, or do people fly out to countries where it's legal?
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Before anything else, and scheming, plans, whatever, you need to talk to her. All of this advice is useless until you know for sure what is going on.
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Pretty sure it isn't a needle for diabetes from your post. FWIW. I guess there's a possibility for that, but I've never ever seen anyone with diabetes using "normal" syringes. I guess it's possible (but like said, I've never seen it), and I'm pretty sure you didn't see a pen needle and think it's used for shooting heroin. Besides, if she had diabetes you'd probably be in the know about it. Now, I'm not diabetic, so perhaps someone else can say something about that with expertise but with the risk of looking stupid, I'll say it's definitely not for diabetes.

The shitty part is about other people with bad habits, you can't really do anything significant.No one's kicking any habit unless they want it by themselves, your helping and worrying won't change that. Now I don't know about your sister and is she even using but that's a good thing to remember now, and later on if stuff happens.

Either way, if things escalate or something among those lines, I'll reiterate what the others said too, regarding kids. If you have to, blow the whistle on her yourself.
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Alternately, you can realize there isn't shit you can really do and focus on your own life. You can't help an addict who doesn't want help. I watched my parents spend well over 100 grand trying to "fix" my sister because she was meth addicted and it wasn't until years later when she finally wanted to clean herself up that anything worked.

This is the best advice right here. My cousin tore her life, her family, and her marriage apart because of a heroine addiction. They tried everything under the sun to help her out, nothing worked until she realized she hit rock bottom. She cleaned herself up and has since moved on with her life.
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Pretty sure it isn't a needle for diabetes from your post. FWIW. I guess there's a possibility for that, but I've never ever seen anyone with diabetes using "normal" syringes. I guess it's possible (but like said, I've never seen it), and I'm pretty sure you didn't see a pen needle and think it's used for shooting heroin. Besides, if she had diabetes you'd probably be in the know about it. Now, I'm not diabetic, so perhaps someone else can say something about that with expertise but with the risk of looking stupid, I'll say it's definitely not for diabetes.

The shitty part is about other people with bad habits, you can't really do anything significant.No one's kicking any habit unless they want it by themselves, your helping and worrying won't change that. Now I don't know about your sister and is she even using but that's a good thing to remember now, and later on if stuff happens.

Either way, if things escalate or something among those lines, I'll reiterate what the others said too, regarding kids. If you have to, blow the whistle on her yourself.
I used normal syringes before I switched to an insulin pump. Still have quite a few of them and I use them for emergencies sometimes.

That said, he'd probably know if she was a diabetic. 99% chance it's not diabetes.
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I kind of like this - give a simple ultimatum "Either commit to quitting with inpatient treatment, or self-destruct until you reach rock bottom, while we fight CPS to take your child away at the same time".

An ultimatum? Sure it can make you feel self righteous and all, but I imagine she might feel betrayed and angry as well. This seems like a way to push her away, because it shows you that you don't have the slightest bit of understanding about her situation. Do not allow her to reach rock bottom. That means death.

And please, seek advice from a professional who has dealt with this sort of thing before. You have too much of an investment in this which might exacerbate the situation further. You're not supposed to be teaching her a lesson.
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An ultimatum? Sure it can make you feel self righteous and all, but I imagine she might feel betrayed and angry as well. This seems like a way to push her away, because it shows you that you don't have the slightest bit of understanding about her situation. Do not allow her to reach rock bottom. That means death.

And please, seek advice from a professional who has dealt with this sort of thing before. You have too much of an investment in this which might exacerbate the situation further. You're not supposed to be teaching her a lesson.

+1 to the call for a professional to help in the situation.

The whole ultimatum thing is used to create "rock bottom" for addicts. Its not supposed to be punishment, just no longer supporting the person in their self-destruction. The idea is to draw a bottom line and hold fast to it, otherwise the addict will manipulate your inability to hold fast in order to maintain their addiction.

Saying that a person won't quit until they're ready is correct, but the whole intervention/ultimatum/whatever thing is to move a person to the point where they are ready. When put to a clear absolute choice to choose between their family, children, housing, etc or the addiction, a good number choose their family and seek treatment.

I remember reading the statistics on the Intervention show last year, and it was successful 75% of the time (successful being operationalized as the person still being clean 1 year after intervention)
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Good luck with your sister and I haven't read the entire thread, but just came here to say that this is the third or fourth complete train wreck I know of that has graduated from Baylor psychology. The other ones I know personally. What the fuck do they teach there, jesus.
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Good luck with your sister and I haven't read the entire thread, but just came here to say that this is the third or fourth complete train wreck I know of that has graduated from Baylor psychology. The other ones I know personally. What the fuck do they teach there, jesus.

Sher drove home every weekend (back to Houston) to see her boyfriend. She didn't have much of a college life. Oh well - I'm finally able to go home after my last final tomorrow and will update everyone. I didn't toss out that ultimatum or anything that was mentioned in this thread - really those were all just ideas I was tossing around. In the end me and my mom just decided to not support her through this addiction. She no longer has a key to the house or the alarm code like she previously did. This was due to a some gold jewelry of my mothers that was stolen - either she did it or my dads caregiver did either way appropriate action was taken for that which coincidentally helped this too. Thank god she was wearing her diamonds that day.

Updates to come as they come to me. Thanks for any support.
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You are not alone. That is the most important thing to consider when dealing with this as a family member.

In the event she is addicted and has a substance abuse problem, you, and most likely your family (no matter how much you try to kid yourself,) will need some counseling. Talking about it helps. Tremendously.

In the event you have proof, or you strongly suspect that she has a substance abuse problem, there are things you will need to do. The first is securing your family, and her child's security. You will need to calmly express how you feel about the situation to your sister and her husband. Afterwards, I would strongly suggest you seek out an alanon meeting (not just for teens,) or a therapist with addiction specialty. Talk about it. Find the best and most appropriate course for the child. Do not get upset or angry with either her, or her husband.

I would not cut her off emotionally, but I would financially. Do not, under any circumstance, let her addiction take control of your life. You cannot fix her. You cannot solve her problems (at least not this one.) If you feel yourself becoming obsessed over her addiction, find an alanon meeting or seek counseling.

I suppose there are two "rock bottoms." The first would be death. The second would be her realization that she has severely disrupted her life and the life of those she loves. In some cases, not all, hitting that rock bottom is necessary. Until they are ready to become clean in every aspect of their life, they will not be committed in that path. They may stay clean, but if they are not ready to become clean, it can be a difficult passage.
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I assume you've calmed down by now. First of all, you don't even know shes doing drugs and with what regularity. Talk to her, and don't be mad. You're very allowed to be disappointed, but do you think not supportting her is going to make her take the hard way and shape up? Since you seem to suffer from intense rage over situations that don't directly affect your everyday life, I wouldn't be surprised if you're pushing yourself into paranoid delusions about your sisters conduct. Why don't you talk to her after your exams? Why don't you show her you care by simply asking why?
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