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since you bitches cry "Faux Newz? lol" I get to cry "Media Matterz? lol"
Old 09-06-2011, 09:03 PM topcat989 is offline  
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The second link is from Nature.

Regardless, it's still one paper. It's another bit of information to add to the puzzle. They're very far from being able to prove there's an effect from cosmic rays, much less quantify it and demonstrate it's the sole mover for global warming.


Also it doesn't address why cosmic rays would affect the Earth more than other planets. There may be a reason, but I don't see it discussed.
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I don't even know why I clicked on this thread.

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I don't even know why I clicked on this thread.

backs away slowly...

aw come on and play in the mud. 's fun.


Nobel Laureate Ivar Giaever Quits Physics Group over Stand on Global Warming

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Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever resigned as a Fellow from the American Physical Society Tuesday, condemning the group's official stand on global warming.

In 2007, the APS adopted an official statement that emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities were changing the atmosphere in ways that affected the Earth's climate.

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring," the APS stated. "If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."

Giaever, an 82-year-old Norwegian, sent an e-mail to APS official Kate Kirby announcing his abrupt resignation. He said he "cannot live with the statement" on global warming, and said that global temperature had been "amazingly stable."

Climate Depot, a site that questions manmade global warming, said it has obtained a copy of the letter.

In his resignation note, Giaever wrote: "In the APS, it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?"

"The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period."

Giaever, co-winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973, is an institute professor emeritus at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y., a professor-at-large at the University of Oslo, and the president of Applied BioPhysics Inc.

According to a Wall Street Journal report, Giaever declared himself a dissenter in 2008, "I am a skeptic... Global warming has become a new religion."

"I am Norwegian, should I really worry about a little bit of warming? I am unfortunately becoming an old man. We have heard many similar warnings about the acid rain 30 years ago and the ozone hole 10 years ago or deforestation but the humanity is still around. The ozone hole width has peaked in 1993," he continued.

"Moreover, global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money," he added.

Giaever is one of the most prominent scientists named in the 2007 Minority Report of the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works (updated in 2009) originally citing support of 400 "dissenting scientists", and growing to 700. He was also one of more than 100 co-signers in a March 30, 2009, letter to President Barack Obama which criticized his stance on global warming.
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Cliff notes:

-An 82 year old physicist who studied solids in a lab thinks converting Celsius to Kelvin disproves all climate science.
-Duuuurrr, the 2007 Senate Report = NO CONSENSUS

The first point is the usual 'I trust everyone EXCEPT climate scientists' argument.

The second point has been dealt with at length in this very thread. To jog your cognitively dissonant memory, the small number of people who signed that report either a) were not climate scientists (a high proportion of people weren't even in a science field, e.g. history or political theory); b) disagreed with some of the conclusions of the IPCC Working Group 3, which deals with the consequences of a warming climate.

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Cliff notes:

-An 82 year old physicist who studied solids in a lab thinks converting Celsius to Kelvin disproves all climate science.
-Duuuurrr, the 2007 Senate Report = NO CONSENSUS

The first point is the usual 'I trust everyone EXCEPT climate scientists' argument.

The second point has been dealt with at length in this very thread. To jog your cognitively dissonant memory, the small number of people who signed that report either a) were not climate scientists (a high proportion of people weren't even in a science field, e.g. history or political theory); b) disagreed with some of the conclusions of the IPCC Working Group 3, which deals with the consequences of a warming climate.

Try again and don't forget that hat.

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Damn cavemen with their campfires and farting Aurochs.....didn't they think of their ancestors in the distant future?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0908145109.htm
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I don't even know why I clicked on this thread.

backs away slowly...

I can't believe I did either. What the hell is left besides:

-climate changes
-we impact these changes
-how can we minimize our impact?

Stop arguing over the obvious; instead look over the best ways to get along with this planet: solar? nuclear? etc
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Damn cavemen with their campfires and farting Aurochs.....didn't they think of their ancestors in the distant future?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0908145109.htm

"Duuuur, CO2 levels changed in the past so that means it being high now must be a totally natural phenomenon."

Again, that's an old argument and it has been dealt with already in this thread. Read up troll-san or perhaps find a comic that restates what you've said a thousand times and thereby defeats all arguments against you...
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I can't believe I did either. What the hell is left besides:

-climate changes
-we impact these changes
-how can we minimize our impact?

Stop arguing over the obvious; instead look over the best ways to get along with this planet: solar? nuclear? etc

your right, we should never question what governments or special interest groups tell us.
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global warming is simple. what happens when there are too many people in one room? the room gets hot from everyone's body heat. the world is over populated. those fucking chinks have over a billion people. let's start there. take out 1/2 their population and the world's temperature will go down.

fact.
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global warming is simple. what happens when there are too many people in one room? the room gets hot from everyone's body heat. the world is over populated. those fucking chinks have over a billion people. let's start there. take out 1/2 their population and the world's temperature will go down.

fact.
That's something the eco-nazis won't touch because..well, you know that would mean agreeing with their so-called opponents. Also, there are no fortunes to be made telling people to stop breeding like rabbits..

edit- maybe if there was some big grant money involved we could get scientists to tackle the fucking without birth control problem.
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global warming is simple. what happens when there are too many people in one room? the room gets hot from everyone's body heat. the world is over populated. those fucking chinks have over a billion people. let's start there. take out 1/2 their population and the world's temperature will go down.

fact.

What is this I don't even

The US produces something like 200 times more carbon emissions per capita than China. They have a hell of a lot of people, but few enough of them have anything approaching the Western standard of living. Which, ironically, is a good enough reason to push for alternative forms of energy now and not wait. China and India are going to continue to use more and more oil and coal, and it'll get real expensive real fast. If we're not ready with a viable alternative, we're all in trouble.
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your right, we should never question what governments or special interest groups tell us.

Is the global community of scientists a "special interest group?"
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