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"There is a lot more going on in your BMW than your subaru. With the advanced electronic systems and the Fiber optic Bus system this power management system is a necessary evil."

seems the only thing dumber than new BMW engineering is new BMW customers
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"There is a lot more going on in your BMW than your subaru. With the advanced electronic systems and the Fiber optic Bus system this power management system is a necessary evil."

seems the only thing dumber than new BMW engineering is new BMW customers

the best part about that quote was how he said the battery wouldn't have lasted as long as it did - the battery had lasted like 4 years and all of 18k miles

i'm sorry - but reading about this battery adaption - wtf are they adapting to? each battery's slight nuances? I could understand that but if you do that it has to be a value add - not a huge issue to replace a battery. it should be able to adapt over time to changes - battery's change,obviously there is a big difference between a nearly dead batt and a brand new one - why can't the computer tell you it's about to die?

technology for technologies sake is why BMW is doing the zero maint for x yers program
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"There is a lot more going on in your BMW than your subaru. With the advanced electronic systems and the Fiber optic Bus system this power management system is a necessary evil."

seems the only thing dumber than new BMW engineering is new BMW customers

No kidding... that was brutal
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I always hear the issues that other people have with german engineering but i've yet to have a german car with anything more than a dead power mirror. even the 1000 dollar 94 540, EVERYTHING worked on that car. my fully loaded 91 jetta, everything but the power mirrors work, I had to replace one power window motor when I bought the car.

I've seen plenty of beat to shit cars of every make and it's more often than not the owners of hte cars vs the cars themselves. all cars made today have substantially more electronics than previous gens - across the board - especially for the top model big sedans and SUV's - those things are complicated as shit.

The Scirocco had a laundry list of issues, but they were all caused by abuse of former owners. The same can be said for the CoupeGT which was minty until the hokey ass swap was performed -- again, former owner.

My 03' A4 was wonderful though, only legitimate issue I experienced was fuel pump failure. I kept coil packs handy because they can fail, but never experienced a failure until the car was tuned (Audi/VW tuners notoriously program in too much dwell causing early failure to the packs).
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BMW motors are solid, the biggest issue with them are the electical issues and small things that nickel and dime you to death. Nothing sucks worse than getting ready to head to work in the morning only to find you have a $600 broken fuel pump problem you weren't expecting.

I'm on my fourth BMW in a row now, first two were used and I learned it's much cheaper in the long run to buy new and sell when the warranty expires.

You gotta love these cars with a passion to put up with the "small" issues that creap up after about 3 years of ownership.
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How reliable are BMWs in general? I don't mean the brand but by generations. I own an E36 and know a small amount about them and they seem to be pretty reliable. How are the E46 and E34?

I own an E39 and used to have an E36. They are all very similar cars. Same years have the same engine (328/528 - 540/740, etc) I have the same 4-speed GM transmission from E36 too. More problems I think. 1994 325i with 180,000 miles and original ignition coils marked 1994, on E39 I already had to change 2 coils by 100,000 miles!


My electric headreast adjustment (up and down) broke. That never will happen in a Honda Civic!.
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Seriously?

Can anybody else confirm this

Yes! The advanced charging system in the newer BMWs (not just E90... from E60) takes into account the age of the battery. When the battery is replaced the car needs to be coded for a battery replacement to insure optimal charging.

But the thing is also you can buy an interface under $100 and use pirated BMW software (INPA, NCS, SSS, DIS) to do all the dealer functions on all but the absolute newest cars.

Even though the battery is AGM, so that probably costs more than a "normal" battery.
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As others have already said, Germans make worthy engines and drivetrains, but fall short in other areas..namely electrical. My older sister (who is co-owner of a chain of daycare centers) bought a brand new 04 Mercedes E500...the thing is black, powerful, smooth riding, handles great...and also full of issues. In only two years the cupholder broke, a piece of interior trim fell off, and the rear seat a/c quit working but all were covered under warranty. Near the end of the warranty period the center stack electronics started freaking out and eventually quit altogether....and then barely 4 months after the warranty period the air suspension collapsed leaving her stranded out of town with an undriveable car and a very expensive tow/repair bill. As it is now, the check engine light is permanently on, and since the mechanics at the Mercedes house can't find anything wrong, they offered to disable it or just ignore it.
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I own an E39 and used to have an E36. They are all very similar cars. Same years have the same engine (328/528 - 540/740, etc) I have the same 4-speed GM transmission from E36 too. More problems I think. 1994 325i with 180,000 miles and original ignition coils marked 1994, on E39 I already had to change 2 coils by 100,000 miles!


My electric headreast adjustment (up and down) broke. That never will happen in a Honda Civic!.

I replaced all 8 coils at 108k
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the cupholder broke

The Germans can't make cupholders.
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The Germans can't make cupholders.

Vell, ze cupholder iz NEIN importent to ze performance of ze vehicle!
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I own an E39 and used to have an E36. They are all very similar cars. Same years have the same engine (328/528 - 540/740, etc) I have the same 4-speed GM transmission from E36 too. More problems I think. 1994 325i with 180,000 miles and original ignition coils marked 1994, on E39 I already had to change 2 coils by 100,000 miles!


My electric headreast adjustment (up and down) broke. That never will happen in a Honda Civic!.

In a Honda Civic, you are lucky to have headrests, adjustable ones at that -- little to break with little luxury. It was appreciable in my 240sx, but if Zombieland taught me anything it is to take pleasure in the little things... there are a lot of little things in German cars.
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Vell, ze cupholder iz NEIN importent to ze performance of ze vehicle!
which is why they didn't give me any
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