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your privacy isn't being fucking invaded by being asked for a receipt

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Old 05-01-2008, 10:39 AM TheMorlock is offline  
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I'm not sure what time limits or "doing a job" have to do with anything. What if his job was to jam a stick up your ass really quickly - just a few seconds. Is that OK? I hate arguments of convenience because they're very arbitrarily defined. What's 2 seconds? What if there's a long line? Is it OK to skip the check then? What if a worker whose job doesn't include asking for the receipt tells you they want to see it? What if they tell you to wait because they want to verify your purchase with the cashier? The list goes on and on. You can deal with that , I'll just walk by and waste none of my time or energy engaging in voluntary anti-shrinkage measures for the company.

showing your fucking receipt doesn't fucking violate your privacy, it doesn't fucking violate your rights, it doesn't fucking hurt you, it doesn't fucking do ANYTHING.. jamming a stick up your ass both invades your privacy and physically harms you, how you can make a comparison between the two is beyond comprehension, and one of the reasons why this country is so fucking fucked up. STUPID mother fuckers like you with no common sense
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police and law enforcement in general have the right to arrest and detain anyone and everyone for up to 72 hours without charging them with any crime, is that kidnapping? a police officer can pull you over, read you your rights and arrest you, detain you for 71 hours and 59 minutes, then release you, and they don't have to have suspicion, they don't have to have a reason, they can do it any fucking time they want. is that kidnapping?

people get arrested ALL THE FUCKING TIME on suspicion of all manner of crimes, even before sufficient evidence is present to charge them, but often times they're released when the evidence to charge them doesn't come fast enough, or it appears that they were in fact the wrong suspect. this is a much bigger issue than fucking receipt checking, and it's perfectly fucking legal.

you're bitching about the smallest possible thing that you can bitch about, and apparently completely failing to see the forest for the trees


WRONG motherfucker.

they can arrest WITH CAUSE.

otherwise it is false imprisonment and they get to pay you a nice million dollars if you have any kind of legal representation.

And in case you didn't notice
a store clerk is not "law enforcement in general"

fucking moron
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showing your fucking receipt doesn't fucking violate your privacy, it doesn't fucking violate your rights, it doesn't fucking hurt you, it doesn't fucking do ANYTHING.. jamming a stick up your ass both invades your privacy and physically harms you, how you can make a comparison between the two is beyond comprehension, and one of the reasons why this country is so fucking fucked up. STUPID mother fuckers like you with no common sense

what right do they have to ask for it then? What right do they have to bar my exit if I refuse to hand it over?

What rights do you think they have that we do not?
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I think it boils down to;

#1 - The people who love getting off on this non-receipt yielding display of power are the worlds largest passive aggressive assholes.

#2 - The people who are pushing the idea that looking at a receipt is a horrible thing are just trying to take away more freedoms from people. They want all businesses to find another way of proving that you have paid for an item. They want to prevent simple loss-prevention tactics. They donít have the mind to simply refuse to spend money at these receipt-mongering whorehouses. They wouldnít dare contact corporate, to inform them that you hate this tactic of loss-prevention.

Itís not always about YOU.*gasp*
Itís about the company. If you hate the companyís methods you have the right to never set foot there again. The last thing you need to do is make the fucking story about you and fabricate a situation in which you are the victim just so you can feel good

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showing your fucking receipt doesn't fucking violate your privacy, it doesn't fucking violate your rights, it doesn't fucking hurt you, it doesn't fucking do ANYTHING.. jamming a stick up your ass both invades your privacy and physically harms you, how you can make a comparison between the two is beyond comprehension, and one of the reasons why this country is so fucking fucked up. STUPID mother fuckers like you with no common sense



yes it does you fucking imbecile. It establishes precedent that a store clerk has authority to detain you without cause.
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police and law enforcement in general have the right to arrest and detain anyone and everyone for up to 72 hours without charging them with any crime, is that kidnapping? a police officer can pull you over, read you your rights and arrest you, detain you for 71 hours and 59 minutes, then release you, and they don't have to have suspicion, they don't have to have a reason, they can do it any fucking time they want. is that kidnapping?

(plus all of his other flamebait, moronic posts)

Holy shit, and I thought Coffea was taking the cake for idiocy in the SCCC thread...

Ever heard of a little thing called "False Arrest?"

I'm hearby ordering arthurpendragon to relinquish his title of Supreme Moron Of The Pit, and hand it over to you. Jesus Christ, you're hopeless.
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If it were a police officer I would be on my best fucking behavior. It's amazing how nice police are when you aren't a total douche.

yep.. hence, when I get pulled over when I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong, and the cop gives me some about a tail light or license plate light(as is usually the case, and I verify every single time afterwards that it's in fact working), I still am nice to the cop and show him my license and shit, because it's way fucking easier to comply and be on my way shortly than it is to be a dick.. that's what Mr. Greg, TheMorlock, mathlete and quite a few others here just don't fucking get.
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Got stopped earlier this evening at Wal-Mart walking out with my merchandise.

To be fair, I was walking right out and of course the system dinged me. I have two small bags in my hand and the door guy starts to get in my path telling me that he needs to see my receipt. By the time I'm five feet from the door he's firmly planted himself right in the middle of the automatic doorway.

"The receipt's in my wallet and I am free to walk right out these doors."
"You can't leave until I see your receipt."
"Sir, this is illegal detainment and you cannot do this."
"You are free to walk around me if you want, there's nothing stopping you."
"Sir, this is illegal detainment and I'm going to ask you one more time to get out of my way." My right hand had the bags, my left hand went to the small of my back starting to pull my shirt up.
*steps out of the way* "This is the second time you've done this! It's harassment!" blah blah blah
He almost put his meaty paws on me at that point. He would have been fully notified that his hands on me constituted assault and that I would retaliate in self-defense with the firearm I was carrying. You'd be hearing about this in the news if that would've happened.

Anyway, they're not getting another cent from me, ever. I'm done with this gestapo shit. I was yelled at a few months ago when the system dinged me and I kept right on walking out. The guy at that store almost ran to the second set of doors then stopped. I'm glad he knew his limitations.

WOW BRO, YOU HAVE A FIREARM< YOU CAN FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!!1

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You sound almost disappointed that you didn't get an opportunity to justify threatening deadly force against a clearly unarmed wal-mart employee doing his job.

So to recap, the scanner at the door started ringing, the doorman asked to see your receipt, you refused to show it, he asked you once again, you refused once again, and then you proceeded to leave without incident.

Yeah, sounds just like Nazi Germany.

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You seem to be missing the part where the employee stated "You are free to walk around me if you want, there's nothing stopping you." According to the anecdote, the employee was not profane, belligerent, physically aggressive or even very persistent. The man was doing his damn job and it didn't even come close to the point where a normal person would reasonably consider threatening to open fire. Further, likening this minor incident to "gestapo shit" clearly highlights the exact level of unnecessary over reaction that often leads to further escalation in these types of scenarios. It seems like Feinged was more concerned with feeling empowered than actually diffusing the situation.

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Personally, Rang3, i'd spend less time insulting people, and more time learning what I could do to deal with problems when they arise like this, and how to deal with the police. Being afraid of them like you are isn't the answer. Do some research, and learn what your rights are.

this ISN'T a problem, that's the point. I'm not afraid of any police. I don't act like a dickhead when someone asks to check my fucking receipt, so I don't have a problem. where the fuck you got the idea that I'm afraid of police is completely fucking beyond me
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yes it does you fucking imbecile. It establishes precedent that a store clerk has authority to detain you without cause.

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what right do they have to ask for it then? What right do they have to bar my exit if I refuse to hand it over?

What rights do you think they have that we do not?

I have the right to tell you that you're a fucking imbecile for making a big deal about something that isn't a big deal.

all of you entitlement dumbshits probably HAPPILY take drug tests to get jobs too, and I bet you don't even think twice about that shit.

THAT is a major fucking invasion of privacy, against your constitutional rights to it, and most people don't even think twice about it. This country is fucking BACKWARDS
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Easy - you let the fucker go.
Sigh. He is free to go when he pleases, this has already been established. My question to you is, how should you expect an employee, trained and paid to inspect receipts, react to an individual who sets off the barcode scanner while approaching an exit? You are not being harassed, accosted, or accused of theft, the doorman is simply following protocol in an effort to determine why the barcode scanner was alerted when you passed through it. In such a scenario, YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE AT WILL, but with all things considored, why not show the man some respect and oblige his request to easily diffuse the situation instead of making it into a bigger deal than it really is.
I suspect your answer is "becase I can".


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And fuck all with the patriot act - cut the straw man arguments. I fight for every right I can, and that includes that pile of horseshit. This right is no less important than any others.
lol, I'm not making a strawman argument. My point is that this is not a civil rights issue, it's an issue of common sense and courtesy. If a store were to hold a person against his will he'd be invariably vindicated by the courts. Unlike with the patriot act and warantless wiretapping, there is no statute, precedent, law, or loophole in place that would allow for a store to wrongfully detain you, so equating such to established legislature which actively diminishes the bill of rights is invalid. Your civil rights are present to protect you from unlawful abuse, but it is not unlawful or unreasonable for a store to request proof of purchase when their security technology alerts them to an anomaly. Legally, you aren't required to comply, but a courteous and reasonable individual would take a few seconds to painlessly resolve the issue. Blowing this up into a spiel about free speech and unreasonable search and seizure is patently outrageous.
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