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What part of games outperform movies in profit margin did you not understand?

And the food industry makes plenty of money too, so why not go be a waiter and when half your clients dine and dash, don't bitch about how your restaurant is loosing money, because overall the food industry makes money.
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And the food industry makes plenty of money too, so why not go be a waiter and when half your clients dine and dash, don't bitch about how your restaurant is loosing money, because overall the food industry makes money.
Apples and oranges. Tangible and intangible assets. They're not the same. You're like those shitheads that come up with the "You wouldn't steal a car." ad campaign for music "piracy" awareness.

I'm adding you to my ignore list now. It will be great not to have to suffer your stupidity anymore.
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What part of games outperform movies in profit margin did you not understand?

Damn, can't argue with that logic. Hooray everybody, now that games are the most popular form of media we can steal them at will with no consequences whatsoever! I mean really, who gives a fuck if a small studio gets put out of business due to their games being pirated, the gaming industry is kicking ass d4wg!
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Apples and oranges. Tangible and intangible assets. They're not the same. You're like those shitheads that come up with the "You wouldn't steal a car." ad campaign for music "piracy" awareness.

I'm adding you to my ignore list now. It will be great not to have to suffer your stupidity anymore.

Sorry that I am actually competent enough to know that you pirating games has a negative effect on a company and causes them a loss of revenue, and with as many asshats out there with your mentality of course companies are trying to protect their software.

The size of an industry or the type of a product does not justify stealing. Theft is theft no matter what it is.
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Apples and oranges. Tangible and intangible assets. They're not the same. You're like those shitheads that come up with the "You wouldn't steal a car." ad campaign for music "piracy" awareness.

I'm adding you to my ignore list now. It will be great not to have to suffer your stupidity anymore.

Oh, so I guess all the hard work that musicians, film makers, artists, and everyone else that creates a non-tangible media isn't worth paying money for. Hard work should only be rewarded when the outcome produces something tangible, like a dildo, that you can shove straight up your ass for being a fucking idiot that doesn't live in the real world.
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Oh, so I guess all the hard work that musicians, film makers, artists, and everyone else that creates a non-tangible media isn't worth paying money for. Hard work should only be rewarded when the outcome produces something tangible, like a dildo, that you can shove straight up your ass for being a fucking idiot that doesn't live in the real world.

No what he means is if you made a dildo, or built a car you're out some extra amount of materials and it cost you money for packaging, storage and labor to produce each unit. If I come along and steal this car/dildo from your warehouse, you're now out some money.

In contrast, when you perform a song and have it recorded, you're not out any money whether it sells a million or ten times that. You only stand to gain something. It's not direct harm if someone who wouldn't have bought it anyway now gets to hear the song for free - think of it as radio. Some songs you hear and go "Oh I think I would like to try the whole album" and some songs you cringe at. Could you tape radio? Yes. Has it ruined music? No.

There IS a difference between a dildo and a song!
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Oh, so I guess all the hard work that musicians, film makers, artists, and everyone else that creates a non-tangible media isn't worth paying money for. Hard work should only be rewarded when the outcome produces something tangible, like a dildo, that you can shove straight up your ass for being a fucking idiot that doesn't live in the real world.
Ignore list +1. Eat shit and die, you ignorant cockfag.


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No what he means is if you made a dildo, or built a car you're out some extra amount of materials and it cost you money for packaging, storage and labor to produce each unit. If I come along and steal this car/dildo from your warehouse, you're now out some money.

In contrast, when you perform a song and have it recorded, you're not out any money whether it sells a million or ten times that. You only stand to gain something. It's not direct harm if someone who wouldn't have bought it anyway now gets to hear the song for free - think of it as radio. Some songs you hear and go "Oh I think I would like to try the whole album" and some songs you cringe at. Could you tape radio? Yes. Has it ruined music? No.

There IS a difference between a dildo and a song!
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No what he means is if you made a dildo, or built a car you're out some extra amount of materials and it cost you money for packaging, storage and labor to produce each unit. If I come along and steal this car/dildo from your warehouse, you're now out some money.

In contrast, when you perform a song and have it recorded, you're not out any money whether it sells a million or ten times that. You only stand to gain something. It's not direct harm if someone who wouldn't have bought it anyway now gets to hear the song for free - think of it as radio. Some songs you hear and go "Oh I think I would like to try the whole album" and some songs you cringe at. Could you tape radio? Yes. Has it ruined music? No.

There IS a difference between a dildo and a song!


Yes there is a difference between a song/game and a dildo. But with a game you have to production costs, staff payroll, cost of equipment, cost of manufacturing supplies, cases, disks, etc. The company still has the amount of money that they sunk into the development of a game. They have to make back the money they spent making the game before they can even think about making a profit on their product, which obviously is the goal of any company.

A game can cost millions to develop for some of these larger companies and games. GTA 4 for example cost over $100 million to make ( http://tiny.cc/3oGHs ). And yes, that is the largest budget game ever, but just a scope, the cost does get up pretty high on these games.
I doubt the amount of research and development that goes into making a dildo is in the millions (and yes, I understand there are products that do cost that much, Im just continuing this the example already set forth.) But obviously, games have to sell a very large amount before they make a real profit, so people pirating it, just because it is intangable, does not mean the company doesnt lose any money.

If you would have just bought the game, it would have been another $50 towards their cost, to pay their employees, and $10 or however much to the retailer, to keep their employees paid.

Everyone sells something in life, whether its tangable, an object, or intangable, a service, does not negate its value.
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No what he means is if you made a dildo, or built a car you're out some extra amount of materials and it cost you money for packaging, storage and labor to produce each unit. If I come along and steal this car/dildo from your warehouse, you're now out some money.

In contrast, when you perform a song and have it recorded, you're not out any money whether it sells a million or ten times that. You only stand to gain something. It's not direct harm if someone who wouldn't have bought it anyway now gets to hear the song for free - think of it as radio. Some songs you hear and go "Oh I think I would like to try the whole album" and some songs you cringe at. Could you tape radio? Yes. Has it ruined music? No.

There IS a difference between a dildo and a song!

Oh, I get it. So say I spend 8 hours a day for 3 months preparing music for an album that I'm making. It's completely alright if my shit gets pirated, it's not like I lost money on;

-renting the studio for 3 months
-renting the necessary equipment to record the music
-paying all the necessary people to record the music
-paying myself for time spent working (this is a business, you know)
-paying for advertising and publicity

and it's not like I have to answer to;

-people that invested in my project
-my publisher
-my manager
and the countless others who won't exactly be cool with losing money do to the rampant theft of my product.

My eyes are open now though, money lost on tangible goods is certainly far worse than money lost on intangible products. Thank you for your real world outlook, sir.
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Ignore list +1. Eat shit and die, you ignorant cockfag.


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Another contender knocked out, the ignore list is for those with an argument that has legs too weak to stand on.
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goodbye thigpig.

55 posts, and every one of them was trolling . gtfo my genmay.
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Oh, I get it. So say I spend 8 hours a day for 3 months preparing music for an album that I'm making. It's completely alright if my shit gets pirated, it's not like I lost money on;

-renting the studio for 3 months
-renting the necessary equipment to record the music
-paying all the necessary people to record the music
-paying myself for time spent working (this is a business, you know)
-paying for advertising and publicity

and it's not like I have to answer to;

-people that invested in my project
-my publisher
-my manager
and the countless others who won't exactly be cool with losing money do to the rampant theft of my product.

My eyes are open now though, money lost on tangible goods is certainly far worse than money lost on intangible products. Thank you for your real world outlook, sir.
Albums sell for $10-15 and most artists make about a $1-2 per album sold. Some artists make $0 if you buy it online depending on publisher and contract.

Therefore, I pirate music and pay for shows/merch, where the profit goes largely back to the band.

/shrug. Call it me justifying my piracy if you want, but those are the facts. I could care less if some record exec schmuck gets paid.
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might as well pirate games then; just send your checks directly to the code monkeys who did all the real work. marketing departments and producers are over-rated anyway, i mean seriously, video game producers just sit on their throwns all day counting money, and marketing people have buttsex with each other. the real money should go to the coders!

PS i was joking. everyone involved in getting those games out should have a share of the money. just like with music; they pretty much pay a million dollars so you get to hear some shitty band, it's not like the band is special
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Oh, I get it. So say I spend 8 hours a day for 3 months preparing music for an album that I'm making. It's completely alright if my shit gets pirated, it's not like I lost money on;

-renting the studio for 3 months
-renting the necessary equipment to record the music
-paying all the necessary people to record the music
-paying myself for time spent working (this is a business, you know)
-paying for advertising and publicity

and it's not like I have to answer to;

-people that invested in my project
-my publisher
-my manager
and the countless others who won't exactly be cool with losing money do to the rampant theft of my product.

My eyes are open now though, money lost on tangible goods is certainly far worse than money lost on intangible products. Thank you for your real world outlook, sir.


You lost that money one way or the other, the argument now is does pirating prevent you from getting it back. I just don't subscribe to DRM helping anyone with anything. Part of making a great song is to make people feel a certain way. Not too good if they either can't play it or have to buy the same song twice.


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goodbye thigpig.

55 posts, and every one of them was trolling . gtfo my genmay.

I knew this guy had something about him, the whole 3 times I've seen him post
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But obviously, games have to sell a very large amount before they make a real profit, so people pirating it, just because it is intangable, does not mean the company doesnt lose any money.

Doesn't mean that they are either. I'm serious. Most people I know that have money actually use it either on itunes or even good old fashioned CD/DVD media. I would use iTunes... except DRM. In this case it's hurting them!

I think we've digressed a bit. My main arguments were:

1. DRM sucks. I do realize piracy may cut into profits in some cases, but DRM sucks and doesn't fix anything. It's like gun control - only those that abide by the law get shafted.

2. False analogies aside, there really is less harm with digital piracy then plain old fashioned theft: a thief stole a car, someone is out a car. A digital thief stole an MP3, a random person gains a new song. It's like sneaking into a movie where half the seats are empty anyway. Yes, tehcnically wrong but please for the love of god stop comparing it to rape and murder. Those that have to sneak in have no money anyway so just enjoy the free publicity if your movie is actually decent!
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