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Probably not what you want to hear, but I tend to drink a lot to give my "mind" a rest, when I don't want to directly focus on anything.

I've also found that these people tend to congregate into certain professions, which does provide some level of "coping." In fact, at my dissertation defense, my committee decided that I have "The Disease", as they term what you describe above, and that "I'm lucky" because it's almost mandatory for a young scientist.


Biochemist here checking in with this same neuroticism and truly, yet sadly, alcohol is the be all cure. People to tell me to let go or not to take myself too seriously but it is almost impossible to not analyze and think about the problem. I think it got me in trouble in my last relationship because I would go through these bouts and try to relay it on text message. It was disastrous.

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I used to have an over analytical mind, but eventually, apathy set in with me.


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Does anyone else here have this?

For those of you in the dark, or for those who have never heard this "term" before. Its where your mind will analyze everything. Every situation, every outcome, everything. Example:

Start dating a girl, Immediately it goes into effect. You start seeing in your head things you are not even thinking. Situations that could occur and their outcomes. You think that if you was to say "xxx" then her reaction would be "xxx" and your reaction would be "xxx". But your mind will process that for every possible thing that could be possibly possible. ()

It's even worse if you get into an argument and the next day she doesn't answer her phone or reply to a txt msg. Automatically, it snaps into effect. Maybe she found someone else, maybe she is still mad, maybe she is in the hospital. Just every fucking thing. All the while, it could be a for a perfectly good reason. Which you foresee at some point, but given the previous actions, the argument, you are looking at negative things. And not paying attention to the things that are positive in nature.

Now at the same time, this can be a good thing too. Since all of the processes are done almost instantly you can think of outcomes for actions or things you would say. Not even that, you don't think any of this. Its just there, a moving process with no beginning and no end. Once you have decided what you're going to do or say, all the outcomes are there. And you have a split second to react to the best one to avoid having an awkward moment. This is good and all because even though none of these outcomes are certain it lets you almost replay each scenario and have a ballpark idea of what might happen.

It can worry the hell out of you. I've been in and out of having stomach ulcers removed all my life, just because I worry about everything. Even things I DO NOT care about. It's not something you can simply turn off, because since this started when I was about 14, in the last 11 years, I have tried everything.


Anyone I ever tried to explain this too, alway say 1 of 4 things:

That I'm either worrying too much, which isn't the case cause my conscious mind isn't the one at work here.
That I'm crazy.
That I have a split personality disorder. Which I doubt cause I'm pretty much always the same.
Or that they are completely lost by what I explained and to explain it again.

So I'm just curious is there other people out there like this? Or am I just seriously crazy.

You are not crazy, you are simply being irrational. Because you keep filling in what she could possibly say while you cannot possibly know that you It's just you sitting/laying or whatever the fuck you are doing...TALKING to yourself making yourself all upset to the point you get stomach ulcers

How about you start using your conscious mind and logically deduce why you feel the need to over-analyse situations ? Just take a moment, grab a paper and pen...and start writing it out if you can or something
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Yup, I've got it too. Works great when you have some scientific problem at work, not so great when you have a personal problem.

I've just learned to be really, really rigid about what I let myself think about too much. When I was younger (high school), I'd lose sleep thinking about stupid little incidents that had happened over the years. I learned to just force myself to block that kind of thing. I can't say how I learned to do that, just became part of my personality over the years.

Working out is a great way to get your mind off something too.

I'm in the process of getting divorced from my wife and the lowest point in my life was when I was doing "heavy" thinking about how to get her back into the relationship. I over analyzed every single possible angle. ugh. I'm glad that we've finally come to the conclusion to get divorced and now that I don't need to think about how to save the relationship anymore.

I agree with the working out as well. I can't wait to return home (I'm on vacation) and hit the gym. My body could really use the work!
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yes yes yes. 12 pack of yuengling or new castle is great to have around, but shouldn't be a coping mechanism.

and I agree that its great thing to have, but its also reallllllly hard in social settings because so much is going on at once, so many things fireing off at once looking eeveerrything over and you mis out on whats really going on. When I smoke, the effect is magnified and its usually hard to even talk because im so absorbed in whats going on.

you guys, similar, different?

I find that some of most established scientists are some of the most heavy drinkers.

I find that when I really need to focus, it's hard to do it in a quiet isolated room. At a bare minimum, I need headphones with music. Also, when I need to do some of the most intense writing that I've had to, I found it easier to work at T-Centralen (central station in Stockholm) with all of the distractions than in my office. It's almost as if my mind couldn't focus on anything else because too much was going on in the background. Possibly, it's been some of my most productive time ever spent in front of a computer.

Maybe I'm just strange.
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Biochemist here checking in with this same neuroticism and truly, yet sadly, alcohol is the be all cure. People to tell me to let go or not to take myself too seriously but it is almost impossible to not analyze and think about the problem. I think it got me in trouble in my last relationship because I would go through these bouts and try to relay it on text message. It was disastrous.

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I totally understand where you are coming from.

In Sweden, we fika, or have two coffee breaks every day. Pretty much the whole lab stops working at about 9am and 3pm (in addition to lunch) and we sit together and discuss stories, drink coffee, and eat chocolate. At first, I though that the time spent at fika was fun but it really cut into my day, however, now it gives my mind a rest from overanalysis and it's something I recommend to anyone.

Basically, about 10 people crowd around the "fika table" for 2 hours a day within an 8 hours day. I don't think that would fly within the US.
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It's even worse if you get into an argument and the next day she doesn't answer her phone or reply to a txt msg. Automatically, it snaps into effect. Maybe she found someone else, maybe she is still mad, maybe she is in the hospital. Just every fucking thing. All the while, it could be a for a perfectly good reason. Which you foresee at some point, but given the previous actions, the argument, you are looking at negative things. And not paying attention to the things that are positive in nature.

LOL I do the same thing and not just with women mind you. If someone is late coming home I automatically think the worst case scenario like "OMGZ CAR ACCIDENT" then I worry Keep in mind Im a very relaxed person and this still happens.

Personally I've gotten WAY better then I used to be. If I start getting like that, I find something to do if Im not doing something already. That's really the thing. Your mind will wander everywhere if you dont do anything except watch TV all day so having a job(which is good to have for other reasons anyway...you'd be surprised how many people I know DONT have one) and a hobby of some kind is key.

Phew, I thought I was the only one like this. Nice to know there's others and that I havent lost it.
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I'm the exact same way. I over think things so much I sometimes give myself anxiety fits. One of my friends described it as me "seeing things in 8d instead of 3d." I had so many problems with my ex, because he knew if I didn't resolve something with him before I went to bed, I would lay awake for hours and over analyze it, sometimes for days.

I never figured out a way to shut my brain up. The only thing I found that works, is resolving the issue.
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I am 100% like this and it made sleeping very hard for me. I used pot for years to try and dumb myself down, but that just causes depression really.

What really helps is a very healthy diet and working out. Also, changing your outlook and mannerisms. For example, you can use this in your favor for meeting girls. You can go talk to a girl, lead in with a line, and while she is responding have something else to keep the convo going. It is only a crutch if you let it be one.

But yeah, it's real easy to assume the worst and flip out over stuff that is not even happening. You just have to learn to let go and that you can not control the uncontrollable.
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I totally understand where you are coming from.

In Sweden, we fika, or have two coffee breaks every day. Pretty much the whole lab stops working at about 9am and 3pm (in addition to lunch) and we sit together and discuss stories, drink coffee, and eat chocolate. At first, I though that the time spent at fika was fun but it really cut into my day, however, now it gives my mind a rest from overanalysis and it's something I recommend to anyone.

Basically, about 10 people crowd around the "fika table" for 2 hours a day within an 8 hours day. I don't think that would fly within the US.

My dad is canceling a contract with a Swedish company because they only work for like a quarter of the year.
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I think it happens to all of us (at [M] anyways). Trying to learn from mistakes and make the right decision is okay, but when you do make the right decisions, remember those too. Gradually you will realize that you don't need to question your own judgment for everything, and you won't analyze as much. Also, figure out your own deficiencies/fears and conquer them. You need to fully believe that you are a great, likable person, and you won't question that fact constantly.
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When I first stumbled across this article it was like finding the manual to my brain.

It makes perfect sense because I've always been this way, and as I've gotten older and my mind has matured I've become even more so.

My entire life I've been overly cautious and highly perceptive. It helps because I rarely make mistakes in my work and can fairly easily judge a social situation, but it's also a major hindrance because I work SLOWLY and I'm sometimes slow on the draw in conversations.

Parties freak me out when I'm sober but when drinking I'm quick on my feet and highly perceptive of the situation (therefore, I always drink before and during parties). As much as I hate to say it, I probably would have had a much better time in high school if I had drank. Like others have said, when I smoke pot I don't want to speak to anyone because everything becomes so INTENSE - I can literally feel tension in the air and speaking or carrying on a conversation is torture for me.

Being outdoors is sometimes overwhelmingly powerful for me. One great time with friends will leave me feeling completely satisfied and with far more memories of it than my ADD buddies. I'd say I spend 75% of my time reflecting and 25% doing.
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Sounds normal; I'm like this too, though perhaps not as neurotic as you make it seem. I've learned to accept that I can't always solve every problem I encounter and that I have to let some things go -- because some things just are. I now view worrying as an undesirable weakness because it means I didn't do enough beforehand to achieve the outcome I wanted. Hard work, in any of its forms, is the only way to guarantee success; over analyzing things to the point of inaction only guarantees you will fail.

I wouldn't say my mindset is apathy, instead, it's much more like a healthy dose of realism. Of course, like others have said, alcohol too helps me unwind and vegetate after a grueling mental task.

The problem you face is learning to apply your skills in social situations where you have to think fast and act fast. Logical thinkers tend to want to analyze problems over time, but life doesn't always allow for that. Attaining a mastery of decisive wit requires superior intelligence, a plethora of knowledge, a strong confidence in oneself, and, the hardest trait to acquire, pure life experience.

Lastly, don't ever think for a second that you're something special, that your shit doesn't stink, or that you are irreplaceable. "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_sensitive_person

When I first stumbled across this article it was like finding the manual to my brain.

It makes perfect sense because I've always been this way, and as I've gotten older and my mind has matured I've become even more so.

My entire life I've been overly cautious and highly perceptive. It helps because I rarely make mistakes in my work and can fairly easily judge a social situation, but it's also a major hindrance because I work SLOWLY and I'm sometimes slow on the draw in conversations.

Parties freak me out when I'm sober but when drinking I'm quick on my feet and highly perceptive of the situation (therefore, I always drink before and during parties). As much as I hate to say it, I probably would have had a much better time in high school if I had drank. Like others have said, when I smoke pot I don't want to speak to anyone because everything becomes so INTENSE - I can literally feel tension in the air and speaking or carrying on a conversation is torture for me.

Being outdoors is sometimes overwhelmingly powerful for me. One great time with friends will leave me feeling completely satisfied and with far more memories of it than my ADD buddies. I'd say I spend 75% of my time reflecting and 25% doing.

thank you for that link. thats excatly what ive been wanting to find.
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