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Buying a VW Jetta S (2.0) today unless you say otherwise.

Hey AutoMay,

I just came back from the dealership to get your second opinion. I am pretty close to signing the paper work to lease this for 36mo. but I had doubts and just had to check one more time with you guys.

Tell me what you think:

4DR JETTA 2.0L S 5-SPD MAN - pretty much the base of the base model

The manager there gave me an invoice at $15,835 & MSRP $16,495 (but I do not know if these are the real numbers or not.)
- Destination charge 770.00
- He said he can do $300 below invoice
-Then dropped it to $164+tax/$176 including tax after $2000 down (but didn't give me what the total car price was before making that estimate)

Car's Purpose: For commuting and some cargo load.

My questions:
Is this a good deal?
Is the 115hp 2.0 enough or should I be looking into the SE (2.5L engine) instead?
I was also looking at the focus, xB, and mazda 3 hatch but thought this would be the best option.

thanks in advance.
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Old 09-05-2011, 06:05 PM 00v_Lucky is offline  
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It's a lease, watch out for that balloon payment at the end. They have ways of jewing every penny out of you for little imperfections if you let it go at the end of the lease, and financing it will be a bitch at best.

Personally, I'd skip it: too much money for too little car, that won't be cheap to run or maintain.

Focus or mazda3 are your best bet, tho I'd take a long look at a fiesta, they're damned nice cars, quick, and fun to drive. I think you might find it a cool car to own. Oh, and don't discount the Sync system, it's fucking nice, and works like a charm.
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Most Jettas on the road I see are 2.5L models. I can't believe VW brought back the 2.0.
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When I was first in the market for a car I was seriously considering the Fiesta but I am going to need more cargo room than that.

Since it is Labor Day I was trying to deal and get a car today. I was looking into getting the focus hatch today but they do not have the specific trim I want.

So my follow up question would be is Labor Day Sales day worth it? Or should I just wait for a better offer later (within a few months)?
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When I was first in the market for a car I was seriously considering the Fiesta but I am going to need more cargo room than that.

Since it is Labor Day I was trying to deal and get a car today. I was looking into getting the focus hatch today but they do not have the specific trim I want.

So my follow up question would be is Labor Day Sales day worth it? Or should I just wait for a better offer later (within a few months)?

Yeah, they are. Call your dealer, and tell him to dealer trade for the car you want. If he's willing to play ball, he'll do it.

The next good time is right at the end of the year, when they're trying to flush out excess inventory to clear the taxes.
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Yeah, they are. Call your dealer, and tell him to dealer trade for the car you want. If he's willing to play ball, he'll do it.

The next good time is right at the end of the year, when they're trying to flush out excess inventory to clear the taxes.

What do you mean by "Dealer trade for the car" that I want?
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The 2.5 is already slow enough; the 2.0 wasn't called the 2.slow for nothing.
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Don't they offer this car with a 2.0t? You'd be stupid not to get that engine over the whimpy N/A ones.
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The 2.5 is already slow enough; the 2.0 wasn't called the 2.slow for nothing.

When I got my CPO 2005 Jetta 2.0 back in 2008, I was debating between it and a 2004 1.8T.

At the time, I decided on the '05 2.0 because:
1) It took regular, and the 1.8T needed premium. Summer of '08 regular was nearly a $1.50/L (~$6/gal) here in Ontario.
2) The 1.8T had leather seats, which I do not like in general -- I much prefer my sport cloth. And this leather was not in good shape. Visibly worn and cracked.
3) The 05 was a late sale (on road Feb 05), so it had nearly an extra year of full warranty beyond the standard CPO warranty.

It was the right decision at the time, but now I am regretting it. The 115hp of the 2.0 is painfully slow sometimes, especially merging onto the highway during traffic. The onramp nearest my work is about 150m to get from 40 to 110kmh (~500ft to go from 25 to 65mph). I could really use the 180hp of the 1.8T some days.
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I thought they replaced the 2.slow with the 2.5L inline-5 in 2005.... hmm.

I would pass, there are better deals to be had at the aforementioned price. The 2.0L engine will be dead-nuts reliable, but you'll hate the sluggishness of it and will oddly find much better fuel economy in the GTI model with the 2.0L TFSI engine. This comes from experience as my wife had a VW A4-chassis car with the 2.0L 8v managing 23-25mpg while my Audi B6 with a 1.8T consistently averaged 28-32mpg. I attribute that to the fact that with increased power delivery, the average percentage of throttle in everyday driving was much lower than in her car.
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I thought they replaced the 2.slow with the 2.5L inline-5 in 2005.... hmm.

I would pass, there are better deals to be had at the aforementioned price. The 2.0L engine will be dead-nuts reliable, but you'll hate the sluggishness of it and will oddly find much better fuel economy in the GTI model with the 2.0L TFSI engine.

2005 was an odd year. It had both the Mk4 (my car) and the Mk5 generations with the same year. You're probably thinking of the Mk5. The Mk4 definitely still had the 2.0.
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I thought they replaced the 2.slow with the 2.5L inline-5 in 2005.... hmm.

They did. However, with the last redesign of the Jetta, VW cheapened it to be more competitive price-wise with the Civic, Corolla, Mazda3 etc. In doing so, they brought back the 2.0.
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IMHO,

I have a B5 A4 with the 1.6L 8V (previous iteration of this engine) and it's more than enough for city driving and highway cruising.

Sure, maybe it takes 10 sec to get to 100km/h, but it drives nice at 160-200km/h for extended trips on the Autobahn.

The gearing (5-speed manual) could really use a 6th gear because at those speeds it's running at 4000-5000rpm for hours on end. But at US speeds, you'll probably be below 4000 (85 mph) if the gearing is the same in your car.

Audi/VW just stopped using the 1.6L 8V last year, they were still even putting it in new Audi A3s.
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But acidfast, full throttle is a scary place! If a car doesn't get to 60 with just a yiff of throttle, it's too damn slow
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