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Time to buy my first rifle

So in a month or so I plan on getting my first rifle, sooner depending on paycheck...

I'm 22 (so maybe a .22 lawls), 5'10" or 11", and 220 lbs or so, so I'm not small, but I've never shot a "real" rifle before. I used to have a nice Gamo airgun in .177, and got to get pretty good at shooting it (my index fingertip sized groupings at 30-35 yards) so I have some sort of semi related shooting experience...

I'm looking to spend as little as possible, so I can get started sooner. $200 would be ideal. Bolt action, even single shot is fine. I play stock class paintball, so personality wise I know I can have fun shooting less, reloading often, as long as going that route makes it so I can afford something of half decent quality.

I was looking at .22s just because they're cheap...
Assuming I'm not looking to upgrade the crap out of it (one of the main reasons people seem to love 10/22s), what would you recommend between the 10/22, the Mossberg 702, and the Marlin Model 60? Namely in terms of reliability and accuracy?

I'm also looking at Mosin Nagats. If I get a cheaper 10/22, I can probably squeeze in a used Big 5 special Mosin Nagat relatively quickly afterwards. Are the Mosins still being produced? I know it's irrational, but I have a odd fetish for buying stuff new, and if I can get a Mosin Nagat unfired for around $250 I think I'd like that a lot too. Anything else in 7.62 or 5.56mm that would be cheap but decent for a beginner?

I'm even down for a single shot, which seems to bring down cost, but I hear the Rossis aren't that great in terms of quality. A good rifle in that price range and something bigger than .22, even single shot, would grab my fancy...

Are there options in this range, or am I just too poor to afford something that's both new and quality?


Or should I start with a basic Shotgun? The local range allows them on the swinging targets and has pigeon tosser things.... Anything decent in that price range?
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if your looking for a .22, i would have to say go with the ruger 10/22 ; of my three .22's i think its the most rock-solid, accurate, and most well built. all three .22's you mentioned are nice, but for sheer versatility it is the hands down winner.

as far as a bolt action center-fire rifle, i don't think the mossin-nagat is a bad rifle. I bought myn from a local army/navy store for $99, and threw on an ATI synthetic stock and bi pod for another $80. it is very fun to shoot, surprisingly accurate, has a lot of knock-down power, and military surplus ammo is relatively cheep.

another option you might pursue would be looking into maby a yugo sks. they are decent quality rifles that can be accessorized into a lot of fun configurations, are reasonably priced, and cheep ammo can be found anywhere.

hope this was helpful to you

Edit: there is nothing wrong with a good 12 gauge either. You can hunt turkey, deer, waterfowl, can shoot cheep game load for target and fun, and makes a great theft deterrent and home protection gun. I'm a fan of the Mossberg 500 pump myself, most people on here are fans of the Remington 870. Both are great guns. For the price, i don't think you can beat the mossberg tho - I picked myn up for $159 on sale, and picked up an 18" security barel for home defense
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Edit: there is nothing wrong with a good 12 gauge either. You can hunt turkey, deer, waterfowl, can shoot cheep game load for target and fun, and makes a great theft deterrent and home protection gun. I'm a fan of the Mossberg 500 pump myself, most people on here are fans of the Remington 870. Both are great guns. For the price, i don't think you can beat the mossberg tho - I picked myn up for $159 on sale, and picked up an 18" security barel for home defense

you got the mossberg 500 for that cheap? i see it going for around 280-300.. where'd you get it that cheap?
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just get a shotgun if you want something for versatility.
I have a 400 dollar revolver, and a 600 dollar deer rifle, and two Remington 870s..

And i shoot my two shotguns more than anything else... it might not be as cheap to shoot as a .22, but it isn't as bad as my 45LC or 308... i can go to wal-mart and get the 100rd pack of Federal shells for like 22 bucks. i spend the same amount for 20 rounds of cheap winchester 308 shells.

but shooting them is probably 30xs more fun... i mean, i had fun shooting the ol' Marlin Semi-auto 22 i got from wal-mart when i was 14, but it kind of got old... over time i found more enjoyment in loading it with rat-shot and terrorizing any strange dog that wound up in the yard.

you can pick up a 870 ~250-300 bucks, depending on some things. Get a slug barrel for 180 bucks and you have a deer rifle.

Either way, if you do decide to buy a shot gun, buy one that can chamber a 3" round.
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you got the mossberg 500 for that cheap? i see it going for around 280-300.. where'd you get it that cheap?

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I should note that I don't hunt, I don't plan on hunting with a gun (if anything it'd be with my bow), it would be strictly for the range. Even though I live in LA, the odds of me needing it for self defense are super low, but that's not to say it's not in the back of my mind. Because I am in an apartment, a shotgun would likely be a better choice so I don't kill my neighbors.


I'm kinda leaning shotgun, I think clay pigeons would be a blast to shoot. Probably between 20 and 14 gauge, maybe 12... cost is a fairly big factor. Any suggestions for something quality in that price/size range? I'm down for pump or break action.

Plus the various ammo options with shotguns might be fun...

I know one range allows shotguns, do most outdoor/indoor ranges allow them?

Thanks for the help guys...
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still everyone should have a 10/22
they are just a blast to have and modify
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the two most common sizes of shotguns sold are 12 gauge and 20 gauge. last time i was at walmart the 100 round boxes of federal gameload for both were ~$21.73 . They are usualy priced around the same wherever i have looked. 20 gauge shotguns are nice if recoil is a concern for you. I guess its all in what you are looking for. Keep this in mind though - the more popular the cartridge size, the less expensive it usually is compared to similar sized cartridges. That said, i would tend to recommend against something like a 16 gauge.
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Recoil is a mild concern. Like I said, I'm not small, I don't want a youth gun...


but I don't want to only be able to shoot half the day due to my arm being sore...


and I do want to feel SOMETHING when I shoot...

How's a 20 gauge kick compared to like a .22 or a 9mm or something? Will a 20 gauge shotgun cost less than a 12 gauge for comparable quality?

I guess I can use lighter load shells, too right?
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still everyone should have a 10/22
they are just a blast to have and modify

this.

I would love to have an ar-15 or ak or something dont get me wrong, but i love my 10/22. The scope on mine is just dead on, i could poke the eye out on a crow at 50 yards. Plus you can get 550 rounds of .22 at walmart for $10. Nothing like blasting off a 30 round mag and knowing you spent only like 50-60 cents.
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if youre looking for reliability, id recommend a lever action .22

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firear.../Golden39A.asp

but may be a bit out of your budget.
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save up you money and get an ar-15, then save up some pocket change after that and get a 22 conversion kit for it.

you'll thank me.

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or you could round up another $100 and grab your self a cheap ak for about $300, but it wont be nearly as accurate.
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Your first Rifle should be a .22, because it will teach you proper technique before "gunshyness" can work in, too many people who arent shooters get a first gun that is large calibur and ingrain a flinch because tey anticipate kick and sound. Even though youre a large guy and im not calling you wimpy, its a human reaction that is critical to overcome if you want to actually hit a target in a crisis situation.

More.22`s have killed people than any other calibur. If fact you can get .22 rounds that are ballistically like .380`s with blac talon like ballistic tips.

Get a Marlin model 982 .22 Magnum Bolt acton. Great rifle! I love mine and have had it for years and years. The .22 magnum is extremely accurate, I mean *extremely* and the stock is very solid and ergonomic for your frame. This will train you on breath control, trigger pull technique and is both iron sight and scope mountable. The .22 mag is accurate to 100 yards so this is an Ideal and way cheaper on ammo rile to train up on. Price is in the 300 dollar range and thi rifle i great to learn how to clean a gun without damaging it.

A Ruger 10/22 would also be a very good choice and is fast and very deadly as a defense weapon. I recommend the stainless steel heavy barrel version, you can rip bottles and cans up all day long and it doesnt hardly heat up and is a tack driver. You can get all kinds of stocks and items for this rile, including 100 round clips. Get it NOW before Obama as he is gong to completely eliminate our ability to get firearms. Price for hvy barrel is in the 350-400 range and i a great gun to learn how to clean automatics, what fouls them, how to deal with stovepipes. Be careful with this and all automatics, hollywood is full of crapola and thes are inherently more dangerous than a bolt action.

Next get a Russian made if you can or a Norinco (chinese) SKS, this battle rifle is cheap, theres lots of aftermarket stocks, ever gun store has one, you can make it clip feedable, the 7.62 Russian (ak) ammo is dirt cheap and plentiful. The russia made one is more expensive but better ade, has a chrome lined barrel whch resists the corrosive ammo common in communist ammo, and has a better wood stock and is made of better metal all around. This battle rie is is extremely versatile with so many different stocks and configurations you can do with it it boggles the mind.

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When you move up get an Armalite AR-10 with the steel reciever, not the poly crap Bushmaster one, in .308, then you can get a .223 upper later, it swaps with just one pin push, and then a .22 conversion kit and you are set with just one reciever and you can stock up on firing pins, extractors and have one battle or tac scope for 3 weapons simultaneously and a selection of Nato rounds for survival situations (.223 = 5.56 Nato, .308 = 7.62 Nato).

Yes, others here recommend the AR-15 carbine, but for one youre a big guy and you can handle a battle rifle version of the AR-15 which is the AR-10, the AR-15 is a close/medium carbine made for lightness and agility, and is the tactical swat type weapon for urban combat. I dont see a purpose really, because at those ranges, personally, out comes my shotgun. Its personal preference, but Im a more fixed postion "sniping" type shooter by nature. Granted AR-15s are much lighter, but they are also shorter, less accurate. An AR-10 can still come in .223 or its original .308 which I prefer. 223 is nothing more than a glorified .22. Personally, I dont think AR-15s are the carbine of choice for what theyre made for doing. Yes, they are very pretty, and fun, but my security arms or mossburg shotgun is what im reaching for in an urban envronment, and my Moss is the 20" variable choke so I can reach out and hit , much much harder at the same ranges pretty much as an AR-15, but when it gets that far, out comes the AR-10, then further, the M1A1.

If you can afford it, get the National Match Flat top AR-10 and order a rear flip up toggled battle site for the scope channel on top just incase your scope breaks, and get a telescoping buttstock aftermarket, one WITH a cheek piece so you can shoot better with an elevated cheek weld. Try to find one with a hollowed out storage pocket in the buttstock and keep the iron site in there. Dont overlook 20 round mags for this weapon, people buy the 30 rounders for the look mostly but the 20 allows better prone firing. Also, the small WD-40 with straw is excellent to clear the barrel out without cleaning it fully, just break the AR open and squirt it down there and let it drip out the muzzle, then run a swap through it, excellent.

Resist the temptation to add shitloads of heavy doodads all over the weapon, the reason to buy any carbine is so it swings around fast in tactical situations, the heavy barrel already hurts with its extra weight but is still superior for these reasons.

1. More accurate out to and far past 300 yards.
2. Youre not in an army group that has designated marksmen, your one rifle has to be bth a battle rifle and carbine.
3. That one barrel has to last you and youll be running thousands of rounds through it without the luxury of a quartermaster just issuing you a new one.

AR-10(T) - a target grade version of the "new" AR-10, with Picatinny-type rail instead of the carrying handle, and the match barrel, this is similar to mine, but mine is newer this pic is an early 80`s version I think.






When you feel youve reached shooter status, get yourself a Springfield Armory M1A National Match Battle Rifle. This is a battle proven shooters weapon.This is the M21 Sniper and designated markman rifle in Iraq as we speak, and my favorite weapon of all time. Although there are other specifically designed sniper weapons, this is far more versatile, fast and is also a Battle Rifle at the same time. I love mine completely, trust it whch is most important, and I can group easily under stress even 1-2 inch groups out to at least 900 yards.



here it is actually in Iraq


Look here (manufacturer): http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php

Price comparison and accessories: http://www.impactguns.com/store/springfield_m1a.html

A word of advice, any gun dealer can order you a rifle, dont be tempted to get something off his rack, have him order it for you, and the charge is only $25 dollars.
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Recoil is a mild concern. Like I said, I'm not small, I don't want a youth gun...


but I don't want to only be able to shoot half the day due to my arm being sore...


and I do want to feel SOMETHING when I shoot...

How's a 20 gauge kick compared to like a .22 or a 9mm or something? Will a 20 gauge shotgun cost less than a 12 gauge for comparable quality?

I guess I can use lighter load shells, too right?

16 gauge...

by far the best decision i made was buy my 16 gauge 870... my buddy has a browning sweet sixteen, and i like shooting mine a whole lot better. which, the Sweet Sixteen is a very very nice gun, and it handles well, but i tend to always blow past my target then have to correct my shot with it... dunno why, probably since i am used to my heavier 870.

i could probably do 350 shells and not have shooters shoulder the next day... no joke.

my next shotgun will be a lever action 10 gauge... but after that i am dropping some money on a nice O/U 16ga. my new favorite caliber..
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Dude, get this:

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bulgarian receiver
hammah forged chrome line barrel
slant brake

If I didn't already have an AKM and are trying to heal my savings account, I'd TOTALLY GET IT!!!1




I probably will get it in a month or two...
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