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Seeing as how it is speculated the US Army has the ability to mount direct heat ray weapons on top of its humvees I believe it's only fair I'm allowed to buy a bastardized semi auto M4.

Either way, if you ban guns I'll just make my own. They might be primitive and innaccurate at first but with every incarnation they will get better and better:

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On the flip side of that token, when has a beanie baby been considered lethal?

(sorry for playing devil's advocate)

i could see a kid somehow working one open and swallowing/choking on the insides
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i could see a kid somehow working one open and swallowing/choking on the insides

Yeah, I guess killing someone with a beanie baby is as easy as it is with a gun....

I'm pro-gun, but coming up with ridiculous stories about how mundane objects *could* be used to kill is not the way to defend our right.
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Yeah, I guess killing someone with a beanie baby is as easy as it is with a gun....

I'm pro-gun, but coming up with ridiculous stories about how mundane objects *could* be used to kill is not the way to defend our right.

nor is taking someones example WAY out of context...


I hear that argument all the time, Stop comparing guns to "insert object here",

the point is that guns can potentially hurt someone. So can can any number of other inanimate objects in our homes and daily lives. The difference, is that people should learn to make precautions to avoid a gun accident, It's no different than you take precautions with other potentially hazardous items.
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nor is taking someones example WAY out of context...


I hear that argument all the time, Stop comparing guns to "insert object here",

the point is that guns can potentially hurt someone. So can can any number of other inanimate objects in our homes and daily lives. The difference, is that people should learn to make precautions to avoid a gun accident, It's no different than you take precautions with other potentially hazardous items.

How about you stop pretending that it isn't WAY easier to kill someone with a gun than almost any other object in existence. It's a fucking twitch of your finger. They don't call it the great equalizer for nothing.

One more time: You will not convince anti-gun freaks that guns are ok because other objects *could* be used to kill by some army commando with 15 years of behind-the-lines training.
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How about you stop pretending that it isn't WAY easier to kill someone with a gun than almost any other object in existence. It's a fucking twitch of your finger. They don't call it the great equalizer for nothing.

One more time: You will not convince anti-gun freaks that guns are ok because other objects *could* be used to kill by some army commando with 15 years of behind-the-lines training.

do commandos get beanie baby combat training nowadays?

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How about you stop pretending that it isn't WAY easier to kill someone with a gun than almost any other object in existence. It's a fucking twitch of your finger. They don't call it the great equalizer for nothing.

One more time: You will not convince anti-gun freaks that guns are ok because other objects *could* be used to kill by some army commando with 15 years of behind-the-lines training.

How about you stop pretending that guns are possessed by demons and have some magical crime inducing effect.?

They are tools, and when mistreated, they can do much harm. When used correctly, they can help many.

My point wasn't about how difficult or easy they are to use, that argument is stupid, and a sidetrack. How difficult a weapon is to use will never ultimately deter someone who has made up their mind and is motivated to kill someone.

Crime is committed because there is a root problem creating it. Whether it be organized crime, drug trafficking, poverty, etc. Deal with the root problem in an area plagued with violence, and guess what? Crime goes down.

My point, was that people have an unjustifiable fear of firearms, and they need to realize that when treated with respect, they are no more dangerous than anything else. Stop fearing the weapons themselves, most people deal with more dangerous shit everyday in their lives than guns, and dont even realize it. Start realizing where and how violent crimes are created, and implement legislation and law enforcement programs to target those problems, and you will see a vast improvement in the number of violent crimes.

Anti-gun legislation is nothing but fear-mongering, and ultimately a case of warm and fuzzy security that does nothing to actually combat violent crimes, and alienates those who would choose to be allowed to protect themselves.
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Proper supervision? Who exactly is going to to tell them otherwise? A politician? There's quite a large hole in your rationale here.

Fear is a worthless emotion. Preparation and foresight on the other hand can, and will, pay off in spades.

I wouldn't say useless, just not nearly as useful as others
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My point wasn't about how difficult or easy they are to use, that argument is stupid, and a sidetrack. How difficult a weapon is to use will never ultimately deter someone who has made up their mind and is motivated to kill someone.

First of all, stop painting me as some anti-gun retard. As I already mentioned, I am very much pro-gun. I just can't stand people using arguments that make no sense. It makes us pro-gun people look bad.

Even your revised point (and let's be clear about something, it is a revision) doesn't hold any weight. A determined person will have a much easier time killing someone with a gun than with any other object. In fact, it's quite easy to imagine that for most people using a gun is the only realistic and reliable way of killing someone else. The power of a gun relative to other objects cannot be ignored, and any argument along the lines of "well you can kill people with buttons too" is fucking ridiculous.
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but, only an unstable person would really want most big hardware.

but as it stands, the military doesnt hold any real trump card over the general populace.
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the sky should be the limit on what a stable person could buy
but, only an unstable person would really want most big hardware.

but as it stands, the military doesnt hold any real trump card over the general populace.

i was led to believe that f22s and armor-piercing warheads were quite the trump card.
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but as it stands, the military doesnt hold any real trump card over the general populace.

nah, not like nukes, artillery, aircraft, choppers, tanks, bioweapons, gunships, destroyers, submarines etc etc etc ad nauseum has anything to put up against your mighty assault rifle!
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nah, not like nukes, artillery, aircraft, choppers, tanks, bioweapons, gunships, destroyers, submarines etc etc etc ad nauseum has anything to put up against your mighty assault rifle!

ina true uprising, finding friend from foe would be impossible, Use of large weapons would only grow the ranks of the resistance.
giving this fact of war, several hundred thousand assualt rifles and people with some ingenuity would accomplish the job pretty quickly.

The feeling I get from those who think artillery is neccisary have agendas that would never be supported in wide number anyways.
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ina true uprising, finding friend from foe would be impossible, Use of large weapons would only grow the ranks of the resistance.
giving this fact of war, several hundred thousand assualt rifles and people with some ingenuity would accomplish the job pretty quickly.

The feeling I get from those who think artillery is neccisary have agendas that would never be supported in wide number anyways.

look to history my friend, then add to that the most advanced military in the world.

yeah, its not gonna be pretty.

Take someone like pol pot, add in a bit of kim jong il (he said north korea only needs 10% of its population) and yeah, uhm good luck.

And I don't think you understand exactly how you as a government should act if you want to crush ze resistance.
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nah, not like nukes, artillery, aircraft, choppers, tanks, bioweapons, gunships, destroyers, submarines etc etc etc ad nauseum has anything to put up against your mighty assault rifle!

In the event of an uprising the upper brass of the pentagon would resort to detonating nukes on American soil to quell a few right wingers.

What liberals actually believe.

Open a history book my friend. The United States had arguably the most advanced army in 1965 but it didn't prevent them from being chased out by a bunch of rice farming gooks with AK 47s in 1972. Soviets had a pretty decent military in the '80s as well but were chased out by Mujaheddin. The US still has the best financed military in the world but sparsely financed hajis with rusting ak 47s and IEDs have been giving them a very hard time since...well the beginning. You really shouldn't underestimate the resolve of a determined armed populace.
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