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the Sunburn missile has an over-the-horizon range of 65 miles
Am I the only one who noticed this? There is no way any enemy fleet is geting within 65 miles of a carrier group in combat situations.
Old 07-20-2004, 12:41 PM Sanchi is offline  
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Am I the only one who noticed this? There is no way any enemy fleet is geting within 65 miles of a carrier group in combat situations.
http://www.tayyareci.com/rusfuzeleri/asmms.htm

155 miles for air launched version
Old 07-20-2004, 12:44 PM onigami is offline  
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Ill just say one more thing, Air Superiority.
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in red storm rising (a shitty ass book I'd never read again), first >100 drones were launched against the carrier group and the aegis combat system exhausted its missile supply destroying most of them. f14s with phoenix's destroyed the rest. then the real missiles were launched. IIRC, one missile struck the carrier and just happened to hit the bridge, taking it out of commission.

assuming that the sea ram system works, where does this leave the aegis cruisers?

assuming that the sea ram system works, should we just put 10-20 on every large ship and let them defend themselves? I see a problem in that 21 missiles per launcher is quite pathetic when it is impossible to guarantee 100% effectiveness. what happens if there's jamming? carrier groups move much more slowly than a missile traveling at mach 3. let's say every ship was equipped with sea ram. they'd all have to be networked together in order to avoid shooting at the same target multiple times.

it's 11 per launcher..not 21 per launcher
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Uhh Weren't you the one telling me that to update my "Time Stamps" on articles.. And now you're making exceptions for yourself.. Good job..

update? yours didn't even have ANY
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update? yours didn't even have ANY
Yes they did you fucking retard.. You were the one going "OMG show up-to-date information"


Release Date: 6/30/2004 9:46:00 AM
Posted on: Monday, June 28, 2004
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And you were the one showing an article from 2001 when he showed something from 2003
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i agree that this article makes many assumptions, but it's so that the bottom line and main point are made obvious...this is a pointless oldschool cold war military show of might

what do you think kept the cold war cold?

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yeah..and instead of looking for keywords that you want to use to disqualify the entire article..you could look at the bare facts...7 carrier strike groups off the shores of an unfriendly coast..looks like a classic case of bravado showcase of strength, goal being to provoke and threaten

everyone knows that this taiwan crisis is a very delicate situation, and china is willing to use force to take the island if that's what it all comes down to...the U.S. wants to send the message that they can and may prevent that from happening, through intervention, but the bottom line is that U.S. military (funding as well) is stretched too far as it is and won't be able to handle another major thing anytime in the near future

Any war between China and Taiwan would be dominated by naval combat. The US Army is stretched, the Navy is not. Even one CVN could ruin China's plans.
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it's 11 per launcher..not 21 per launcher

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. The launching system - a 21-round or a 11-round launcher - and the missiles comprise the weapon system.
http://navysite.de/launcher/ram.htm

edit: shit nevermind. different RAM system.

anyways, my point still stands. were a large number of decoys launched, the systems would be overwhelmed.

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http://navysite.de/launcher/ram.htm

edit: shit nevermind. different RAM system.

anyways, my point still stands. were a large number of decoys launched, the systems would be overwhelmed.

http://www.raytheon.com/products/essm/

http://www.raytheon.com/products/sea_ram/

http://www.raytheon.com/products/phalanx/ block 1B
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in red storm rising (a shitty ass book I'd never read again), first >100 drones were launched against the carrier group and the aegis combat system exhausted its missile supply destroying most of them. f14s with phoenix's destroyed the rest. then the real missiles were launched. IIRC, one missile struck the carrier and just happened to hit the bridge, taking it out of commission.

assuming that the sea ram system works, where does this leave the aegis cruisers?

assuming that the sea ram system works, should we just put 10-20 on every large ship and let them defend themselves? I see a problem in that 21 missiles per launcher is quite pathetic when it is impossible to guarantee 100% effectiveness. what happens if there's jamming? carrier groups move much more slowly than a missile traveling at mach 3. let's say every ship was equipped with sea ram. they'd all have to be networked together in order to avoid shooting at the same target multiple times.

That's what AEGIS does, it controls the air defense assets of the entire fleet.
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http://www.tayyareci.com/rusfuzeleri/asmms.htm

155 miles for air launched version

And normal air search radar capability is 300 miles.

You have plenty of warning when one of those planes gets in full view. More than enough time to destroy one if you are alert.
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this is where I stopped reading
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And normal air search radar capability is 300 miles.

You have plenty of warning when one of those planes gets in full view. More than enough time to destroy one if you are alert.
pray tell - what do you do if multiple squadrons of su-33s launch 80-100 missiles at a carrier group? and what if they had decoy missiles? what if they had mig-25s running as decoys?
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That's what AEGIS does, it controls the air defense assets of the entire fleet.

thanks for summarizing my post
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