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Old 07-01-2009, 02:48 AM spatula is offline  
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t-nation article on the subject btw:

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...about_crossfit

Thanks, I forgot the acronym I was looking for yesterday:GPP, or General Physical Preparedness, which is what CF excels at. From the article...

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...CF can be used to supplement sport-specific training for competitive athletes. In that sense, CrossFit functions as GPP, or General Physical Preparedness.
I don't agree with Glassman on a few things though, and I fully accept Bunch's methodology of using CF for total fitness, but modifying it to suit his specificity towards body building. That's where CF falls short: specificity. If you do have a specialization goal, CF is still good for GPP. You'll just have to do more to reach that goal that CF doesn't lend itself towards.


Also, that article has a great point about kipping pullups.

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CF uses a kipping pull-up and chin-up. This is a pull-up initiated by a body swing and a hard pull to the chest. In other words, it's much different from strict pull-ups from a dead hang, which are often used by CrossFitters as warm-up exercises. Kipping pull-ups, with the momentum and body English, allow for higher reps.

Critics are quick to attack: "That's cheating! CrossFit encourages poor form!"

At least, that's what I said, when I considered myself one of those critics. But after learning how to do it and applying it in a CF workout, I reject my own criticism. It's like comparing a traditional shoulder press to a push press. The latter isn't just a "cheat" version of the former. It's a different exercise, one that perhaps offers more carryover to real-life challenges.
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Thanks, I forgot the acronym I was looking for yesterday:GPP, or General Physical Preparedness, which is what CF excels at. From the article...



I don't agree with Glassman on a few things though, and I fully accept Bunch's methodology of using CF for total fitness, but modifying it to suit his specificity towards body building. That's where CF falls short: specificity. If you do have a specialization goal, CF is still good for GPP. You'll just have to do more to reach that goal that CF doesn't lend itself towards.


Also, that article has a great point about kipping pullups.

...this is the first link in the first reply to this thread posted. stop assuming what i post is simply to contradict what you say.
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I'm sure this has been said but:

I think the idea of crossfit is cool, but 99% of all the crossfit kids I've ever seen have basically used it as an excuse to have horrible horrible form. Doesn't matter what it is, pullups, deadlifts, etc. If their form is decent they alter the exercise by adding in the ball, or something along those lines.

Please note I made the above statement being full aware that it is crossfit's intent to exercise differently, but bad form on deadlift is bad form no matter what name you give it.
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I'm sure this has been said but:

I think the idea of crossfit is cool, but 99% of all the crossfit kids I've ever seen have basically used it as an excuse to have horrible horrible form. Doesn't matter what it is, pullups, deadlifts, etc. If their form is decent they alter the exercise by adding in the ball, or something along those lines.

Please note I made the above statement being full aware that it is crossfit's intent to exercise differently, but bad form on deadlift is bad form no matter what name you give it.

I agree that bad form which is unsafe is a bad thing. Not all bad form is cheating or is "bad". It's like bitching at someone doing bench when the spotter gave them assistance on the last couple reps past failure. Well duh it was bad form and he had help, but that's not the point. Going past failure and getting those extra couple reps is sometimes what's required. Everything has to be considered in the proper context. Because a lot of people are unfamiliar with Crossfit's differences from traditional lifting that context is lost on them.

I would agree that horrible form is still bad though. Crossfit "slop" isn't the same thing IMO.
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Link? If it's kipping pullups that's a specific type of pullup. The workouts call for different types depending on the WOD. Some specify kipping, some strict, and sometimes a blend broken down into different rep intervals.

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...100Pullups.wmv

Yup, he's kipping (and not the best version I've seen either). Not surprising for the workload he's going for. Intensity is the goal of that workout, not form. Sacrificing form by design for attaining another goal is as old as dirt. Nothing too surprising there aside from jamming to Billy Squire while I watched

Here's more on how to properly do Kipping Pull-ups:
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ngPullUps1.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ngPullUps2.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...KPUFixHips.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/eva-on-kipping.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...g1-Concept.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ullupStep1.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ullupStep2.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ullupStep3.wmv
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/C...ullupStep4.wmv

A nice Strict vs Kipping Demo:
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/S...pingPullup.wmv


I've made a living (before changing careers) out of proper fitness without dangerous form--and I think to what you call the "uninitiated", this can be dangerous through mimicry. Not everyone thinks things through so clearly. I understand the purpose of cross fit, but I have to echo DMs feeling of cult status.

I also understand that some people require such incredible variation to maintain interest. I am not undermining the benefits or logic behind crossfit, only a bit of your own ability (but that's why I asked for clarification, I don't like calling people out). Regardless, I do have a problem with any fitness program that directly advocates "cheating" for results, when such cheating can be very dangerous.

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Boy did that sound really fucking pompous. And that's coming from ME
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Boy did that sound really fucking pompous. And that's coming from ME

That's meant as to those who aren't aware of why CF does things slightly different. From the outside looking it, yeah, it seems goofy at times, and some of the things they do aren't the best and you have to use your own judgment when not to do such things. Most of what they do is sound though. I wouldn't recommend CF for newbies though because you have to know when to call on what's slop and what's unsafe. I think this goes back to what the writer was saying about their lack of quality control in their certification system. But then if you have a bad trainer no matter what routine or system you're doing you're going to have the potential to get hurt. Bad trainers are bad trainers regardless of what they teach. I'm benefited by about 20 years experience in fitness in one way, shape, or form. I know when it safe and when it's not. And I do have a problem with some of the WODs so I just take more time to get the extra rest so I'm not taking risks with the high skill high weight high rep exercises. To each their own.
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for what it's worth, crossfit is really good at making women hot.
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for what it's worth, crossfit is really good at making women hot.

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OK, so after two weeks of Crossfit I can say I'm hooked. I want to point out a few things in reference to what was brought up in this thread:

- Apparently there is a big swing in the attitude and competency level from one Crossfit gym to another. I have heard horror stories and some really high praise for various local outfits.

- From what I've heard and experienced, I am attending one of the "in the game" gyms. The head trainer is extremely experienced and never once have myself or any of the other trainees felt in danger of hurting ourselves.

- In my gym, there is no tolerance for dangerous form. As stated before a certain amount of "slop" is allowed with the goal of finishing reps, but any dangerous form is stopped IMMEDIATELY. In fact, it is the only thing short of someone passing out that will completely stop a workout.

- The On Ramp class I'm in has been praised by more than one person in its ability to prepare trainees for full heavy WODs. This is a relatively new approach in Crossfit. Previously newbies were thrown straight into heavy WODs with little or no preparation.

Nothing in Crossfit is completely revolutionary, however the collaboration, organization, support, and motivation are pretty unique. I haven't had too much experience with other fitness programs, but almost everyone else I work out with has and have nothing but good things to say.

Is it a fad? Only time will tell. All I know is that after three weeks of Crossfit and the Zone diet, 15 pounds down and counting, it's working for me. I feel amazing and will keep doing this for quite a while.
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It will be a fad in the sense of the rate it's increasing in membership. However once the fad dies, you'll have members stay true to it. At least that's how I see it.
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It will be a fad in the sense of the rate it's increasing in membership. However once the fad dies, you'll have members stay true to it. At least that's how I see it.

Makes a lot of sense. CF has a higher than normal flake rate, which for gyms is already pretty damn high, like 70-90% of people that get gym memberships stop going after 3 months. CF is even worse apparently, and due to the intensity levels they train at it's no surprise.
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- The On Ramp class I'm in has been praised by more than one person in its ability to prepare trainees for full heavy WODs. This is a relatively new approach in Crossfit. Previously newbies were thrown straight into heavy WODs with little or no preparation.

no they weren't. the brandx scaled workouts have been posted along with the workout of the day for a long, long time.
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