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I am not even sure where to begin looking for a 3rd party sale for an AR15 in Texas.
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have you tried moving the VFG all the way forward?
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have you tried moving the VFG all the way forward?

No. I have it set up so I can grab it rather than the magwell. My left arm would be fully extended if I had it all the way forward.
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Cool link...



There are some laughable "deals" on there though. Some guy is trying to sell a Bushmaster patrolman carbine for $1500 (or trade for a .50 BMG) Um, yeah- good luck dude.
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I see a lot of guns here with metal ribbing encompassing the barrel or along the length of the weapon. In some cases I don't see how it would dissipate heat; is its secondary purpose to give stability if the weapon is braced against a surface?
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I see a lot of guns here with metal ribbing encompassing the barrel or along the length of the weapon. In some cases I don't see how it would dissipate heat; is its secondary purpose to give stability if the weapon is braced against a surface?

Like this?



That's a picatinny rail so you can mount accessories.


Old 12-26-2008, 01:09 PM DHermit is offline  
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Gotcha. I should have figured, but some of these rifles look like they're made of picatinny rails.
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I see a lot of guns here with metal ribbing encompassing the barrel or along the length of the weapon. In some cases I don't see how it would dissipate heat; is its secondary purpose to give stability if the weapon is braced against a surface?

Compared to the plastic handguards with double heat shields?

The slots in the rails allow more air flow to the barrel instead of just enclosing it like the above.

That and some rails only contact the upper receiver/barrel area and free floats the other end of the barrel = inherently more accurate, especially considering sling pressure and resting the handguard on stuff.

+ Providing more options for lights and VFG's.

+ Aluminum is stronger than plastic

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No. I have it set up so I can grab it rather than the magwell. My left arm would be fully extended if I had it all the way forward.

I dunno, I've been holding the handguard all the way forward right at the sling swivel after reading this (look at that Basicload's pics):

http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a...621#4681065621

I'm 5'4" and my left arm isn't all the way extended.
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Compared to the plastic handguards with double heat shields?

The slots in the rails allow more air flow to the barrel instead of just enclosing it like the above.

That and some rails only contact the upper receiver/barrel area and free floats the other end of the barrel = inherently more accurate, especially considering sling pressure and resting the handguard on stuff.

+ Providing more options for lights and VFG's.

+ Aluminum is stronger than plastic



I dunno, I've been holding the handguard all the way forward right at the sling swivel after reading this (look at that Basicload's pics):

http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a...621#4681065621

I'm 5'4" and my left arm isn't all the way extended.


Link no worky. With a proper square carbine stance, you should need to have the vertical foregrip pretty far back.

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Link no worky. With a proper square carbine stance, you should need to have the vertical foregrip pretty far back.


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According to who? I'd recommend researching this a bit further, you'll find that 00 Buck is correct. The closer to the muzzle, the less lift. Unless you have a medical issue (I don't mean this in a sarcastic way, some people physically can't), you'll find this to be much more efficient and proactive once you get used to it.
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Link no worky. With a proper square carbine stance, you should need to have the vertical foregrip pretty far back.


Works for me.

http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a...621#4681065621

Or go to:

http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/

and search for "bladed stance" in the CQB section.

Read this too, it's good research:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=23531

Anyway, a lot of very respectable people are now switching back to the slightly bladed/modified fighting stance.

Reason being is the squared stance is more suitable for subguns and people who train at a high level are starting to notice that shooting a carbine this way is platauing their skills.

Holding it farther out = more control in recoil and more control in transitioning between multiple targets.

Just trying to help.
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I think bladed is more suitable for long distances, but in urban enviroments and inside buildings squared lets you shoot faster and from the move. There's also the matter of body armour having ceramic plates in the front and only kevlar on the sides, so you don't want to expose your flank. As for the position of the front hand, I like to keep mine on the magwell, but I haven't shot with a VFG so that might change things. Without one though holding my hand all the way forward feels quite unnatural.
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I think bladed is more suitable for long distances, but in urban enviroments and inside buildings squared lets you shoot faster and from the move.

The modified fighting stance is very similar to the ones in my other hobbies (except the forward lean), boxing and muay thai. I don't find it hard to move in this.

It's pretty stable and aggressive. Kinda like the position one would take when driving a spear into someone's chest (hey, the support arm would be far forward too!).

I don't see being pushed back by recoil with it.
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There's also the matter of body armour having ceramic plates in the front and only kevlar on the sides, so you don't want to expose your flank.
I think they make side armor now. So you can run the carbine in the most efficient way without compromising protection.

Also, my slightly bladed position wouldn't expose much of the side anyway, with my torso being only 45 degrees to the target. This is NOT the totally bladed position using in NRA matches etc..

The support hand position is a non issue, pretty hard to debate against holding farther out = better control.

Youse guys can run your AR's however you want. I may have found my way.
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