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Saudis in Aooodis v. "Merkin Values"

I cringe every time I see Obama butt-kissing the Saudis, who execute more people per month than ISIS.... for being gay or criticizing their government or religion. Let's not even go into the whole women can't go out in public without a man, drive, or wear anything but the beekeeper suit....Then he trolls the nation about American Values and how terrible Putin is.

Iraq - had nothing to do with 9/11, we all know this now. In fact Al Qaeda previously named Iraq a threat to fundamental Islam due to Saddam's secular regime.

Syria is infinitely more progressive than Saudi Arabia - BUT WAIT WE MUST SAVE THEM!

There were proven Al Qaeda ties to Saudi Arabia a long time ago and now this:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/03/politi...a-involvement/






Soooooooooo yeah. Basically all this about human rights and American values is
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Many -- if not all -- of Moussaoui's statements over the years have been called into question.

During his 2006 sentencing trial, an expert witness testified that Moussaoui suffered from delusional paranoid schizophrenia. He was prone to loud and disruptive outbursts during that trial, and guards testified he would sometimes make irrational claims to them.

He has also asked for certain concessions in exchange for testimony, such as a warmer cell in a different unit of the supermax prison.
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Many -- if not all -- of Moussaoui's statements over the years have been called into question.

During his 2006 sentencing trial, an expert witness testified that Moussaoui suffered from delusional paranoid schizophrenia. He was prone to loud and disruptive outbursts during that trial, and guards testified he would sometimes make irrational claims to them.

He has also asked for certain concessions in exchange for testimony, such as a warmer cell in a different unit of the supermax prison.

Of course they are called into question - and yes, I know about this - the article i linked says all of this too.

I firmly believe it's more likely than not, that the Saudis paid Al Qaeda, and probably still do. Are you saying it sounds improbable? Their goals are the same, their means are similar to the point of sameness - executions and corporal punishment etc

let's look at what we know for a fact:

-Saudis subsidized the Mujahideen along with CIA (operation Cyclone)
-Saudi Arabia is an oppressive, religious dictatorship that has nothing in common with the US except fearing change of regime
-US is butt buddies with Saudi Arabia


Regardless of what their own people and US government are saying, it only makes sense. US and the Saudis banded together against a "common enemy" ie the USSR. Saudis feared that Muslim countries would tumble into modernity as USSR built one poly-technical institute in Afghanistan after another, promoted literacy and equal rights for women, etc. You've seen the pictures from the 1960s versus today right? Meanwhile US feared that socialism would spread like wild fire. Both regimes were interested in maintaining status quo and keeping the elite structures in place, none of it had a damn thing to do with human rights.

The fact that Obama defends them is hilarious, same as Bush and everyone before them. Clearly shows that when it comes to the big issues, dems and repubs are two sides of the same coin. Perhaps the biggest hypocrisy is the whole quest against communism starting right after WW2:

"We are a democracy! Democracy means PEOPLE choose how they live!"

Oh shit, communism is becoming popular and winning primaries in Ohio/other union states. Quick, arrest them all for treason! Boycott Cuba, they chose to live incorrectly. Invade Vietnam, they chose to live incorrectly! Support fundamental Islamist terrorism in other countries that are friendly with USSR, they are about to chose to live incorrectly.....

Bunch of lies and nonsense, right down to anti-Russian sanctions and the cuban embargo. If a country chose a regime, leave them alone. Why shouldn't your citizens, and theirs, be able to do business and have relations, just because some corporate-whore fuckwits in congress are afraid of socialism Listen to Obama justify our relations with Saudi Arabia, deplore the Cuban embargo and call for more sanctions against Russia in one speech. it's hilarious.


In short, i don't give a shit if we do business with the Saudis and look the other way at everything they do. However either do that to all countries, or none at all. You can't in all seriousness pick and choose and lie with a straight face about why we're doing it. But, but... merkin values! We must, you know, spread them.... in certain cases
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Just wait for the inevitable shitstorm when they release the redacted pages of the 911 report.

http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-saud...elease-1501202

Lets see how many people love bush after they read that and then remember when the entire country was grounded we ran special flights to get all the high profile saudis out of the country...

But hey, invading iraq was still totally a great idea...

The Saudis are totally our allies...

And this had absolutely nothing to do with oil.

Remember to thank GWB and the saudis for ISIL/ISIS.
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Just wait for the inevitable shitstorm when they release the redacted pages of the 911 report.

http://www.ibtimes.com/911-link-saud...elease-1501202

Lets see how many people love bush after they read that and then remember when the entire country was grounded we ran special flights to get all the high profile saudis out of the country...

But hey, invading iraq was still totally a great idea...

The Saudis are totally our allies...

And this had absolutely nothing to do with oil.

Remember to thank GWB and the saudis for ISIL/ISIS.

The new 83 year old prince, when asked if he plans to change anything, answered that "there's no reason to change any of our correct policies" - this is almost verbatim from an interview i read.

Obama when asked about Human rights in Saudi Arabia, said "it's important to apply slow, but steady pressure - while we get real business done" We all know what that means.

I voted for Obummer, and clearly dems are the lesser of two evils because their wedge issues don't suck quite as much (birth control is not fucking controversial in any part of the world, even in Iran they have free BC) but the realization throughout the years that when it comes to the big stuff - stuff that affects MAJORITY of US citizens, like distribution of wealth, none of them will touch it because their corporate subsidizers would give them the cold shoulder. By the time you even get to the primaries you have to be a 100% grade A sycophant, a total yes-man, a pawn, to even have a shot at office.

So yea I'm sorry to say i actually believed in the whole change thing, partially because he's half black and came from the bottom. Hey at least it proves that skin color really doesn't matter. Money does. He has said himself he doesn't believe in a black and white america, but one america.
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Here comes the damage control: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...e-one-al-qaida

that didn't take long...
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Soooooooooo yeah. Basically all this about human rights and American values is

Are you going to keep voting between Team A and Team B?
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I think I'm the only one who voted for Stein (in genmay)
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Possibly. Sup might have voted for Stein. I voted for Johnson in 2012.
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Are you saying it sounds improbable?

The source is questionable to say the least. I'm certainly not going to jump to any conclusions based on his testimony.
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