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Why yes.. it is a good financial choice.

40 bucks, as opposed to the 100, 200, 300 dollar welfare check?

And someone gets to be employed to check the testing, plus administration?

WTF, is, the problem here?
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Yeah, I'm just about to roll a 14-page essay for you why you're fucking retarded. I'm going to make the first chapter discussing why you're fucking retarded for wanting to save government pennies by actually testing welfare recipients for cigarette smoking, and chapter 2 will probably work on you finding a TV to be a luxury item in 2012.

Hence why it was a discussion. If I wanted to mention reasons, I probably wouldn't have added that last sentence about how these are just a list a shat out. I didn't say they would work offhand, but neverthless, worthy of a discussion to people that can argue (Protip: Not you)

Most of those tests can be simple for most of them: Show up to a location to do your test. Don't show up? You fail. No money. Hell, that would probably cut 70% of the money handed out - just ask the traffic courts
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Ironically, the solution to all the problems listed here as reasons for cutting/limiting welfare is, in fact, more social spending

yep, you can't just cut loose a bunch of retards and hope for the best. there is no good ending in that scenario.
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Why yes.. it is a good financial choice.

40 bucks, as opposed to the 100, 200, 300 dollar welfare check?

And someone gets to be employed to check the testing, plus administration?

WTF, is, the problem here?

knowing how many would be denied for these on a regular basis? VERY easy.

1) Occasional fees WOULD come up for things like drug tests. We could use these as a last resort to simply measures that don't really cost much money - such as US Citizenship or actually showing up by a given date.
2) Minimum to very small wage jobs. You know... Those wacky jobs that pay taxes? Yeah, those.
3) I could make bets that 1 employee could deny over 200 checks in a given day. Yes. Day.


Saves money, all around the globe? Yes. Yes, I think so
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Suckling at the govt teet only accounts for 5% of the country's annual budget so this really doesn't address the monetary problems we have at all. It's like arguing over a nickel. Waste of breath.
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Why yes.. it is a good financial choice.

40 bucks, as opposed to the 100, 200, 300 dollar welfare check?

And someone gets to be employed to check the testing, plus administration?

WTF, is, the problem here?

This would be a very smart post if it didn't estimate that 100% of administered drug tests actually come positive. And yes, the government should employ people to do jobs. Let's solve the entire problem of unemployment of having 50% of unemployed people digging a hole and the remaining 50% of unemployed people can fill it afterwards.
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Hence why it was a discussion. If I wanted to mention reasons, I probably wouldn't have added that last sentence about how these are just a list a shat out. I didn't say they would work offhand, but neverthless, worthy of a discussion to people that can argue (Protip: Not you)

Most of those tests can be simple for most of them: Show up to a location to do your test. Don't show up? You fail. No money. Hell, that would probably cut 70% of the money handed out - just ask the traffic courts
It's not really a discussion if you post what a stupid fucking moron you are. Seems more like a coming out session. But please, do entertain us some more with your endless supply of stupidity

let's shoot welfare recipients to the moon with a space rocket <---your idea of a "discussion" item
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The moon's too good for them. Straight into the heart of the sun.

If they pass the drug test, the moon. If they fail the drug test (and all of them will), the sun. The spaceship will not have a TV, or bud light in it. Too comfy and expensive.
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at people who think government checks make having kids "profitable".

ahahahahaha, that is so fucking stupid.

It's not going to make you rich but it allows you a place to live while doing nothing
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It's not going to make you rich but it allows you a place to live while doing nothing

Welfare check barely covers the cost of formula a month.
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Government assistance like food stamps, welfare, etc should be contingent upon being sterilized. If you can't take care of yourself, you obviously CAN'T TAKE CARE OF A FUCKING CHILD and therefore, you should be excluded from the breeding population.

what?
seriously?

so at what point do you get sterilized? as soon as you accept assistance?
if so, what would have happened to me? i spent 6 months or so on unemployment, then got a job and supported myself

how can you sterilize someone temporarily?
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Unemployment isn't really "welfare" anyway and shouldn't be categorized as such.
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while i was on unemployment i qualified for food stamps
i didn't apply for them (which was a little stupid, but whatever), but that doesn't matter as i was still accepting government help
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Suckling at the govt teet only accounts for 5% of the country's annual budget so this really doesn't address the monetary problems we have at all. It's like arguing over a nickel. Waste of breath.

... thats 5 PERCENT.... not 5 cents Little bit of a difference.

Not only that, in the current situation, we are arguing that our current situation is FEEDING it and that 5% will only because bigger and bigger. Someone never took a business class at all
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