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Seriously, an automatic weapon? The only way I can think of someone shooting themselves in the head is shooting an automatic. What the fuck is an 8 year old doing with an automatic mini-machine gun? Are we Somalia now?
Old 10-29-2008, 01:50 AM Trachei is offline  
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too bad you have fucking gun-shows where they let ppl of any age shoot automatics

too bad the same gun-show advertised this fact.

too bad ppl are retarded

Hey I'm not saying it was right to let an 8 year old shoot the gun.
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Well it depends on the 8 yr old.

It really sounds like a tragic accident, maybe some negligence on the part of the parent.

Yes, some one died with a gun. Was it criminally negligent, no (at least from what I can see). This is no different then people that let their kids race go karts and die from an accident when they flip it. Having a gun involved does not make it any worse then that.
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Who the fuck in the right mind lets an 8 year old handle a loaded, semi auto, gun?
I don't care if god certified you, that's just absurd.


oh please
i started shooting when i was even younger, at 35 im still here.
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oh please
i started shooting when i was even younger, at 35 im still here.

Most adults with limited shooting experience would find a fully automatic sub machine gun to be difficult to handle. You can only assume the child was also of limited experience due to his incredibly young age. I'm not even taking into account this kid's hands were likely way too small to even hold the weapon properly.
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Most adults with limited shooting experience would find a fully automatic sub machine gun to be difficult to handle. You can only assume the child was also of limited experience due to his incredibly young age. I'm not even taking into account this kid's hands were likely way too small to even hold the weapon properly.

granted the adults could have done things better. All he had to do was put the smg in a machine rest.

secured firearm + youngin = safe shooting.

Ive seen guys with their kids shooting mg's through cut down 55 gallon barrels or even tying down the weapons. In order to keep things safe.


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granted the adults could have done things better. All he had to do was put the smg in a machine rest.

secured firearm + youngin = safe shooting.

Ive seen guys with their kids shooting mg's through cut down 55 gallon barrels or even tying down the weapons. In order to keep things safe.



I was thinking the same thing. Why didn't they have some kind of support system. This thread reminds me of the video with a chick and an AK-47 on automatic.
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Just goes to show as a reminder for everyone,

Shooting firearms can be a dangerous thing if safety rules aren't followed. In this case, I would have to say it was a serious error in judgment in the child's parents, and a very heavy price was paid. , I feel bad for them, no parent should have to deal with something like that. (this is not to say they should be unaccountable)

The argument over whether or not an 8 your old should be handed a machine gun or not, or even a firearm or not, is not a clear cut black and white decision. In this case, the child probably had little experience in shooting, and probably 0 experience with the uzi. There are a lot of variables, I have a friend who I go to IPSC matches with all the time, he has a 10 year old son who competes with an airsoft pistol due to club age rules, but when I go over to his property and we practice on steel targets, his son will shoot his 38 super and he shoots it pretty damn well. Again, this is not a fully automatic, so its not the best comparison, but my point is that saying you need to be X age to do Y activity isn't some clear cut thing. When you look at machine gun shoots across the country, this is the first time something like this has happened, and we have been having these shoots for what....20..30 years? Not entirely sure, but a long damn time.

Id have to say, This was a case of poor judgment, with a tragic outcome, and at best I hope it serves as reminder for people in the future that bad things can happen with poor decisions + firearms.
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Who the fuck in the right mind lets an 8 year old handle a loaded, semi auto, gun?
I don't care if god certified you, that's just absurd.

It was automatic, hence why it jerked up towards his head.
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but my point is that saying you need to be X age to do Y activity isn't some clear cut thing.

On the other side of the spectrum, I know a couple 20 year-olds who probably couldn't handle an uzi either. Experience is key, and supervision (at any age) is beneficial.
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On the other side of the spectrum, I know a couple 20 year-olds who probably couldn't handle an uzi either. Experience is key, and supervision (at any age) is beneficial.

Which further proves my point, X age doesnt necessarily qualify/disqualify you from a certain activity. And I agree 100% with the rest, Range Officers FTW!
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Yes, some one died with a gun. Was it criminally negligent, no (at least from what I can see). This is no different then people that let their kids race go karts and die from an accident when they flip it. Having a gun involved does not make it any worse then that.
You're comparing the dangers of submachine guns to go-karts?
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You're comparing the dangers of submachine guns to go-karts?

fucking christ, will people like you stop doing that? Does his point completely fly over your head, and the best you can do is say its a bad comparison? I dont fucking care what the comparison is, it was negligence of the parents, and treating this incident like it was some fucking redneck conspiracy makes you just as dumb as the redneck conspirators. OMG THE MG'S KILLED THE KID, IT WAS THE GUNS FAULT, PUNISH ALL GUN OWNERS!!! OMGOMGOMGOGMG

HIS POINT, AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS, IS THAT THE PARENTS FUCKED UP ROYALLY, AND SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, AS WELL AS THE DEALER WHO ALLOWED THE INCIDENT TO HAPPEN.

DONT BE A FUCKING DOUCHE

Ive been trying to read some of these posts and take things people say into consideration, but it seems a lot of comments in here nothing more then hippie anti gunners trying to troll, and cant even suggest a decent god damn reason to support their opinion, but instead try to attack other's arguments with no basis whatsever. GTFO and go to the pit. Most of us in this forum are gun owners, we ALL agree that this could of been prevented, but if your trying to get us to say getting rid of our guns is the answer, its not going work, it will never fucking work in case you havent figured it out by now.





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All I was trying to say was it was an accident. Accidents happen, provided there was not any negligence (and there may well not be) then it's sad, but that's all.

People die every day, one child dieing with a machine gun is not worse then any other.
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