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Exactly, he's reading the same fucking side of the same fucking page the whole time. And the audio is quite clearly dubbed in. HELLO?

Devils Advocate: So the FBI doesn't know how to read or what? And aren't they smart enough to not link the jumpsuit to themsleves?
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:45 AM fly is offline  
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Taken from http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/b...toryID=5133783

1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor
regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

2) CNN poll question: "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any
remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?" Bush has been reported to be
struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional
torture photos. Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly
prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national
security" issues for witholding additional materials.

3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.

4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue
(compare with pictures at Guantanamo).

5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit). Either
he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and
all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to
change).

6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited. Goes from a) Berg
sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with
hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost
motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

7) Audio clearly dubbed in.

8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on
the same page. Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what
page he's on?

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still
alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would
have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's
clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible
blood on it.

12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground. Although held down, Berg
would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.

13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.

14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly
dubbed in.

15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information
about his family. Why? To elicit greater sympathy? Or to provide a
positive ID. FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his
identity". Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by
family.

He staged his own death! Here's my theory:
1)Terrorists had access to Berg's email account back in '99 according to CNN. So, Berg was involved with Al-Qaida terrorists.
2)Berg goes to Iraq on "business" but is really there to meet with terrorist leaders to get plans for attack in America.
3)On way out of Iraq, he is detained by FBI. They release him, but he is panicked.
4)Finds some other guy that looks vaguely like him, kidnaps him, and then kills him while wearing a hood with some of his terrorist buddies in order to make the US not be interested in him anymore. He redubs the tape with his own voice when the other guy is talking, and then has his terrorist buddies say the rest. He records his own scream, its just that he screams like a woman.

The key to this theory is:
DID NICK BERG WEAR A GOLD RING?

(no, I don't believe any of this, and find the whole conspiracy thing utterly crazy)
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:47 AM TadSG is offline  
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Can you show me some proof that this was fake?
Old 05-14-2004, 11:48 AM AppleBoy is offline  
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Can you show me some proof that this was fake?

Click back about 20 pages...??
Old 05-14-2004, 11:50 AM Stunt Cock is offline  
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Click back about 20 pages...??


make it 60 pages
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:50 AM saman is offline  
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there is something bad wrong with this whole situation. I smelled a rat the first time i saw it...just does not look right at all. I can't say i know exactly what happened but I bet you a cookie that this does not end well.
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:52 AM curdledvomit is offline  
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He staged his own death! Here's my theory:
1)Terrorists had access to Berg's email account back in '99 according to CNN. So, Berg was involved with Al-Qaida terrorists.
2)Berg goes to Iraq on "business" but is really there to meet with terrorist leaders to get plans for attack in America.
3)On way out of Iraq, he is detained by FBI. They release him, but he is panicked.
4)Finds some other guy that looks vaguely like him, kidnaps him, and then kills him while wearing a hood with some of his terrorist buddies in order to make the US not be interested in him anymore. He redubs the tape with his own voice when the other guy is talking, and then has his terrorist buddies say the rest. He records his own scream, its just that he screams like a woman.

The key to this theory is:
DID NICK BERG WEAR A GOLD RING?

(no, I don't believe any of this, and find the whole conspiracy thing utterly crazy)

Isn't truth usually stranger than fiction? If nothing else, I've learned in my 25 years on this crazy planet that NOTHING is surprising. Not Janet's boob, not the shuttle blowing up, not a dude being decapitated. That it would be a fake, not surprising.
Old 05-14-2004, 11:53 AM Stunt Cock is offline  
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there is something bad wrong with this whole situation. I smelled a rat the first time i saw it...just does not look right at all. I can't say i know exactly what happened but I bet you a cookie that this does not end well.


It will end just fine... with the american public's short attention span... everybody will forget about it soon... sucks

does anybody even remember who richard clarke or bob woodward are?
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Old 05-14-2004, 11:54 AM saman is offline  
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where is the grimacing pic, I am not digging through this shit for the post.

Quote:
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Let's take a look at Berg's expression moments after the knife comes in:

If that's not a grimmace, then I don't know what is.

Next, here's a few seconds in:




Dead people have a hard time changing their facial expressions mike.
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:04 PM :ninja: is offline  
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wow so you grabbed more points for us to refute (some that have already been addressed). so what happens when someone answers these? you going to stop debating again until you can find another list with the same shit?
Old 05-14-2004, 12:20 PM isugoat is offline  
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS UNHOLY, MOVE THIS FUCKING CRAP THREAD TO THE PIT WERE IT BELONGS!!!!!!!
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:27 PM ded is offline  
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Biggest question is:

Okay, suppose the US did make this video.
They had him alive...
They killed him...
They staged a decapitation.

Why not just really decapitate him?
Or show how he really died?
What the hell would be the point of all this. I call
Old 05-14-2004, 12:35 PM Bread Mafia is offline  
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Excellent points made... I never thought of it this way.

Good man.
Old 05-14-2004, 12:38 PM SilkSteel is offline  
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I don't think it was staged by the U.S government, but it is possible that he died for their cause just like their suiciders do, to become a martyr
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Old 05-14-2004, 12:43 PM Affinity is offline  
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I do hope you are kidding - you cannot possibly believe that the same people who (you believe) were intelligent enough to orchestrate September 11th are "a bunch of backwards Iraqi fucks". Remember the old adage - "crazy, not stupid".
You have no idea whether these guys are part of a terrorist orginization or just a bunch of stupid commoner Iraqi fucks who decided to capture the first white guy they saw, you , and I will call them stupid on account of them deciding to release this video . And 9/11 was not really that complicated.....hijacking some planes with box cutters and crashing them into buildings doesent make you Einstein. All you need to do is check the plane arrival/departure times and make it past some pretty lax secuirity.
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