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Rick Roderick (20th century American philosopher) on "Postmodern Hyper-Reality"

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This is a very interesting discussion, going into Baudrillard's concept of simulacra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacrum
and of hyperreality:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreality

He describes the Gulf War as being "hyperreal", or more real than real, and that through postmodern capitalism, we as "consumers" have come to prefer and enjoy the "experience told about the experience", or the "reality that is more than reality itself" (told through news, mass-media, contemporary narratives about society/politics/etc.)

It's quite fascinating. I suggest anyone with an interest in contemporary American culture, and the decay of "authentic" or "genuine" experiential reality (in an age of vapid consumerism and advertistic nihilism) that comes with our technological postmodern capitalism we're currently living under.
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that's a lot of fancy words stringed together that you don't even understand

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that's a lot of fancy words stringed together that you don't even understand

pretty cool bro

they make sense perfectly fine
why dont you listen to what the guy is saying

you still dont know what bourgeois means, so...
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Another criticism of postmodern hyperreality by slovenian philosopher slavoj Zizek:

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"Žižek argues that global capitalism and fundamentalism are two parts of the same whole: ultimately, their opposition in political and everyday discourses represents a false ideological conflict in both the Marxian and psychoanalytic senses. This is just a continuation of the prior cultural logic in which fascism served as the "obscene superego supplement" or fantasy to liberal democracy's Reality. Žižek shows how today the fundamentalist terrorist plays an analogous symbolic role to the Jew during the Holocaust, the excluded "other" whose alien presence legitimizes measures of internal discipline. Although Americans were victims, so were the attacking terrorists, and therefore neither side was justified in their violent actions. In fact, the attacks were already libidinally invested by a series of Hollywood catastrophe films, showing that it was exactly what Americans secretly wanted, i.e., their ultimate spectacular experience. The false perception of a purely external threat allowed the system of global capitalism to go essentially unchallenged, functioning to indefinitely defer discussion about alternative socioeconomic futures. The only real "other" to global capitalism is a renewed form of socialism, because the "others" of capitalism (those excluded from capitalism's benefits) are almost everyone, even though they are all formally extended the promise of liberal rights. While the United States claims to be standing for democratic rights and principles, it actually suspended these same rights at home and legitimized torture in order to fight the war on terror. Rather than seeing these as real exceptions, Žižek identifies them as central tendencies in liberal democracy, a system inherently susceptible to corruption and unable to universalize its own rights. Changing conditions of war further erode any distinctions that could be made between a state of war or exception and a state of peace, central distinctions in democratic ideology. Because the democratic system is always generating new states of emergency to justify the negation of its ethical principles, the future of emancipatory politics cannot be contained within a liberal democratic framework (including notions of human rights, the rule of law, and constitutionality). As ethical acts such as Israeli "peacenik" soldiers' solidarity with their Palestinian neighbors show, there are other alternatives to capitalism than fundamentalism or fascism; however, the current paradigm of the "end of history" and the "clash of civilizations" restricts the range of apparent conflicts to cultural or ethnic/religious ones, masking anything more fundamental, such as an economic conflict. The same displacement of socio-economic conflict that occurred under fascism is mirrored in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, the "symptomal knot" of all the economic and cultural logics of the contemporary world. In his rejection of binary ethical choices and predictive certainty, Žižek is certainly postmodernist, but the substance of his critique of responses to 9/11 is primarily Marxian and secondarily Lacanian."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome...rt_of_the_Real
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they make sense perfectly fine
why dont you listen to what the guy is saying

you still dont know what bourgeois means, so...

" advertistic nihilism"




you dumb retard, putting a string of fancy words doesn't make you appear any less of a moron you truly are
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do you know why americans are so stupid?

the whole movie "the matrix" was based off of jean baudrillard's book "simulacra and simulation".

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do you know why americans are so stupid?

the whole movie "the matrix" was based off of jean baudrillard's book "simulacra and simulation".


Didn't know this, i thought it was a futuristic take on the Truman Show
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