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I don't trust for-profit academic institutions, which many of these online things are. Just too much of a conflict of interest.
so, you dont trust any private university in the world? You know, harvard, yale, stanford?
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so, you dont trust any private university in the world? You know, harvard, yale, stanford?

Private isn't the same as for-profit.
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Basically what you need to know, is it an accredited university? And even at that, there are organizations that are simply created to accredit diploma mills. What that boils down to is- is it a legitimate school that is recognized by other legitimate schools. You have that with a state school, like SCSU- http://www.stcloudstate.edu/continuingstudies/distance/ They offered everything required for the degree in CJS for example, online. And the CJS department has at least two masters.

Bottom line, before you take any classes from anywhere, make sure you know they will transfer *as those same classes* elsewhere, but specifically where you end up. You don't want to spend your valuable time away from your other duties grinding out work only to find that it'll only transfer as general electives into your next school, if they accept the credits at all.
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Basically what you need to know, is it an accredited university? And even at that, there are organizations that are simply created to accredit diploma mills. What that boils down to is- is it a legitimate school that is recognized by other legitimate schools. You have that with a state school, like SCSU- http://www.stcloudstate.edu/continuingstudies/distance/ They offered everything required for the degree in CJS for example, online. And the CJS department has at least two masters.

Bottom line, before you take any classes from anywhere, make sure you know they will transfer *as those same classes* elsewhere, but specifically where you end up. You don't want to spend your valuable time away from your other duties grinding out work only to find that it'll only transfer as general electives into your next school, if they accept the credits at all.

How would you go about verifying that the credits/degree would transfer to another school? Is there some sort of easy protocol to determine this? Basically how do you know if the accrediting institute is legit and not just one created for the diploma mills?
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Some jobs require you to get "any masters" to advance or promote, and people in those jobs generally don't give a shit about the quality of education they get for the money. Most of those people get their degrees from online programs.

You can't say without a doubt that all online programs are crap, but surely most of them are.
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How would you go about verifying that the credits/degree would transfer to another school? Is there some sort of easy protocol to determine this? Basically how do you know if the accrediting institute is legit and not just one created for the diploma mills?

This is going to sound insanely difficult, but it's like moving a pile of shit with just a spoon. Break it down into smaller tasks and go one spoonful at a time. Before you know it, you'll be done. Academic planning is like any other paradigm or institution like the military. If you know the protocols, the language, the forms, the pomp and circumstance... you can navigate it.

If you want to be smart about it, it's not always easy. The most sure route is to go with a recognized, legitimate state school... What's your home state? Find out if there is a distance learning program there. You mentioned you were in the military? Don't ice-skate uphill, tap the resources available to you there... play to your strengths. Ask around about something called regents college of albany.

The next tool to look for is something established by whatever cartel that runs state sponsored higher education in your region. It's called a course applicability system CAS website, and it is supposed to be a method of comparing what transfers from what to where and as what.

In other words:
Course #1 from School A transfers to School B, which calls it Course #QXY2

This will show what has been codified as established transfers, and it is supposed to assure you that you won't be screwed. There isn't supposed to be any wiggle room when these guidelines are established.

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The other thing is, if you find a place where most stuff transfers, but a class or two doesn't, you might get it transferred as a general elective. OR, if you've compare the syllabus from the class you want your course to count for, and the course objectives and outcomes, etc, are very similar, you can contact the department that you want to receive the course and ask them to consider filing a course substitution form allowing Transfer credit from X to count as their major requirement Y. In many schools, it is simply a matter of contacting the department chair for a signature on that form, in others the review process can involve more people and be more complicated.

The CAS may vary from region to region. When I was an academic advisor in Minnesota, there was something called mncas, but it included courses and universities from all over, because people would be transferring from elsewhere into MN schools. When I looked for that tool now, it seems to have been replaced by https://www.transfer.org/uselect/login.htm - you should still be able to use the tool without having to create a log in. The old version worked the same way. The new iteration looks like it might have much more expanded capacity.

Ok, now you have an idea how to compare courses when you know what to take, but so what? That's an idea how to do what you want to do, but it doesn't tell you what you want to do. What do I mean?

How do you know what courses to take if you're not sure where you'll end up? You don't know who to compare them with.

Try to identify one major program/school/university. A named, legit, state institution. This school should have the program you want to complete, eventually. One that is going to be geographically where you will be for a bit when you get out. Even if you don't complete this program, use their program as a template to design your academic plan. If they are a legitimate leader, their program should be analogous to the programs of other state of the industry schools.

So you'll list the courses you need according to that program at that school... You may even create a hybrid list that you create from comparing the elements of your top 3 choices or something. But you'll end up with a list that looks like this:

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Program Plan for A Bacheloreate Degree in Moisturizing Elephant Knees:
MEK 102
MEK 211
Stats 220 - (they require this so that you understand that not all elephants respond best to jergens)
Chem 107 - (you need this to best be able to formulate new aloe vera suspensions. but don't forget, Chem 106 is a Lab, and a pre-requisite for Chem 107. And you have to have completed the basic requirements for math placement or test out of Math 070, which you'd need to get into the basic core math class, which you have to have completed before you can do Chemistry.)
MEK 330
MEK 420 lol
MEK 499 - (Thesis on the effects of aloe vera when combined with petrolatum.)

Plus: 24 credits Core Curriculum

(the undergrad minimum... or what you might transfer in as complete block of an AA degree. But don't start somewhere and move it around until you're finished, unless you're positive everything transfers as what you need it too. It's like expecting Arby's to accept Taco Bell Coupons, or worse, expecting Red Lobster to accept ghetto dog coupons- the propane tank in a grocery cart vendor illegals outside football games.)

Plus: X amount university elective courses.

Don't forget, the last two categories are modified by diversity requirements and phys ed requirements.


then you find out who has courses that transfer into that school as those courses you need. Whatever institution that 1. Has distance learning established that meets your needs, and 2. has the most courses that transfer in as what you need at your ultimate university, is the school you target to accomplish your goals.

It's not going to be easy, and it will take alot of homework... lots of lists, a ton of scratch paper and maybe some dry erase boards, but it's the smart way to go so that you don't waste your valuable downtime from your current duties. You know better than to run in 100 directions at once.

All this is probably TMI, and too early. At the very least, you'll need to complete your undergrad core before you'll be seriously on track to complete your major program, but knowing your major program in advance will help you take the courses now that best empower you later. You may find loopholes, double count courses, bone up on difficult areas, etc.
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Lots of information, thank you

no problem, hope it helps. don't get overwhelmed. what you want is accomplish-able. people do it all the time.

just be sure that when you are in academia, don't bring military ego with you I've seen vets burn themselves without realizing they're doing it, more times than I can count.

but I've also seen them take the skills they've honed and quietly excel and thrive, when no-one seems to be looking.
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