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Old 01-22-2003, 05:16 AM Briggsy is offline  
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Vinnie, I disagree. The way I understand it, your sexual orientation is based on whether you're physically attracted to your own or the opposite gender (or both!), and has nothing to do with acting on that attraction. Sex is willful action, whereas sexual attraction is an involuntary biological response. The two can be quite discrete.
I daren't ask why you deliberately misspelled my name and put it in bold, but anyhow. The point I'm making is not so much about peoples sexuality, but in their statement of sexuality because it's trendy to wear that title. If people aren't practising and never have, then they can't really say that they are.

From what I understand, lesbians hate bisexual women. I find it hard to fault the opinion in these matters of anyone who's attracted to women and women alone. If you aren't practising a sexuality and never have, then you've got no right to claim it.

There is very little if any stigmata attached to female bisexuality outside of religious and lesbian groups, in fact it is encouraged a lot more than discouraged from what I've seen. It's cool to claim you're a female bi. I've got nothing against those who are really bi, but people who claim they are and have never done anything of the sort?

I know that if I decided to make my next online incarnation a female, I'd play a bi for sure. Lots of attention right off the bat. This whole christian moral person thing is getting kinda dull, maybe next week I'll be Sylvia the hot bi. In fact, here is a pic of me, I'm on the right: http://upload.ipaska.com/012003/me_cam1.jpg
and me in the middle: http://upload.ipaska.com/012003/me_cam2.jpg
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Old 01-22-2003, 07:07 AM vinnie is offline  
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I daren't ask why you deliberately misspelled my name and put it in bold, but anyhow. The point I'm making is not so much about peoples sexuality, but in their statement of sexuality because it's trendy to wear that title. If people aren't practising and never have, then they can't really say that they are.
I see what you're getting at but I'm not so sure. My gf is a virgin (her choice, she's a christian). By that rationale, she can't consider herself heterosexual?
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Old 01-22-2003, 07:28 AM blablabla is offline  
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From what I understand, lesbians hate bisexual women. I find it hard to fault the opinion in these matters of anyone who's attracted to women and women alone. If you aren't practising a sexuality and never have, then you've got no right to claim it.

There is very little if any stigmata attached to female bisexuality outside of religious and lesbian groups, in fact it is encouraged a lot more than discouraged from what I've seen. It's cool to claim you're a female bi. I've got nothing against those who are really bi, but people who claim they are and have never done anything of the sort?
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ok, I'm the g/f in question in the first post, I am bi, have been with women before, period.
My current boyfriend just has not seen it and wants too. Since the few females friends I had before I married my ex left when I married him (cause he's an ass among other things) I don't have as many female friends anymore. More female friends is hard to find when I work in a call center doing tech support surrounded by a bunch of guys.
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Old 01-22-2003, 08:42 AM aylaNL4 is offline  
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ugh if my woman told me she's bi and goes to tittie bars and shit i'd probably dump her.
lesbian porn is one thing, having your girlfriend making out with someone in front of you is painful.
there are too many healthy, straight women out there to gget stuck with a defective one.
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Old 01-22-2003, 03:18 PM Mark Larson is offline  
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ok, I'm the g/f in question in the first post, I am bi, have been with women before, period.
My current boyfriend just has not seen it and wants too. Since the few females friends I had before I married my ex left when I married him (cause he's an ass among other things) I don't have as many female friends anymore. More female friends is hard to find when I work in a call center doing tech support surrounded by a bunch of guys.
That's you I wasn't directing anything really at you, it was more a general comment and some specifics directed at SexiOne. You say you're bi and have actually been with women and are looking for another. So you're bi. That makes sense and is logical.

Do you agree however that if you'd never been with a woman and are not looking for a girlfriend then you wouldn't be bi?

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I see what you're getting at but I'm not so sure. My gf is a virgin (her choice, she's a christian). By that rationale, she can't consider herself heterosexual?
If you look at my earlier post you'll see that in my view, remembering this is strictly my view, is that people are by default heterosexual unless they are willingly and persistently practising otherwise and/or have practised otherwise before and are seeking a partner to continue to do so.

By default, she's heterosexual. That is the normal state of affairs, she's not making any effort to be any different willingly.
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Old 01-22-2003, 04:49 PM vinnie is offline  
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Vinnie, I'm sorry, but that's kind of silly. What about a guy who is attracted to men and not women, but is religious so he can't/won't act on it? Is he heterosexual? Clearly not.
Old 01-22-2003, 05:44 PM lorelei is offline  
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I daren't ask why you deliberately misspelled my name and put it in bold, but anyhow. The point I'm making is not so much about peoples sexuality, but in their statement of sexuality because it's trendy to wear that title. If people aren't practising and never have, then they can't really say that they are.
I capitalized your name because it was the first letter in a sentence, and had it in bold due to the custom of doing so from a different forum.

Sexual orientation is about sexual attraction. You can be sexually attracted to someone even if you're not (or never have been) sexually active. If you find yourself attracted only to those of the same sex as you, you're homosexual. Gay people don't grow up heterosexual and make a conscious decision to only be attracted to their own gender...
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Old 01-22-2003, 06:33 PM Astaroth33 is offline  
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why are u so concerned about her being bi? think that will get you an opportunity for a threesome? cause if so, what u do is find a hot bi chick, tell her that your woman is bi-curious, bring her home and surprise your woman. then, it should be put up or shut up time...
Well, obviously he must be sexually active with her, so if she's bi... he has the right to know that she ain't lying, if so. Personally I don't want a muff-divin' woman.
Old 01-22-2003, 06:42 PM Christian Shock-Treatment is offline  
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I'm saying that if you don't act on something and haven't ever then you aren't whatever that something indicates. Thinking about something does not mean you are what that something indicates.

Here is the best example I can think of- if you don't commit murder than you are not a murderer. You cannot be imprisoned for murder if you have not commited the the crime (assuming the court hasn't screwed up and imprisoned an innocent). Same idea. A lot of people think about murder, some may give it serious thought, but if you don't actually murder, or start planning to murder, then you can't be tried and imprisoned for it.

If you haven't ever done anything bisexual and aren't trying to, then you're not bisexual. If bisexuality was a crime like murder, then you'd neither be found guilty of it or found guilty of conspiring to perform bisexual acts.

This only really applies to females claiming bisexuality. No other groups that I've ever come across wants to claim a different sexuality without practising it. You can see how much attention any female who claims they're bi gets, that's why they do it. Attention whoring on a larger scale. It gives those who really are bisexual a bad name. I feel sorry for them.
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Old 01-22-2003, 06:43 PM vinnie is offline  
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i think you guys are arguing different points and just not understanding each other or something. or actually vinnie seems to be arguing one point and concluding with another. let's break it down:

(1) i think we can all agree that it's en vogue to be a "bisexual" woman and lots of women who are not particularly sexually interested in other women, but who are willing to make out with a girl (as most chicks are) claiming to be bisexual is annoying and immature. it is degrading to people of actual bisexual persuasion, of which i will offer that i know a few, including my mother (she has had long term girlfriends and boyfriends since divorcing my dad)

(2) action does NOT define a sexual orientation. vinnie's logic doesn't really work...he argues that it's stupid to claim you're bisexual when you're not for attention, and then concludes that not having acted on bisexuality makes you "default" heterosexual. the notion of a "default" sexuality is clearly debateable, although i won't approach that one. at any rate, your sexual attraction and feelings are your own, and your sexual orientation is dependant upon your own feelings, not upon the decision of the society. only the individual knows if he or she is honestly sexually attracted to people of both genders, and there's no way you can tell that person otherwise just because they haven't munched carpet or taken it in the pooper (respectively).
Old 01-22-2003, 07:17 PM infix is offline  
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The default idea needs work doesn't it? That's just a thought, I'm not claiming that to be the correct way to look at things, I'm open to suggestions. Point 1 though I'm prettry solid with.

The thing with 2 is that there are people who aren't trying and never will do anything bisexual, because they don't want to. To start with they are heterosexaul, they just stay that way unless they start *wanting* to and doing different. Should include a clause about people who really want to do bisexual things but can't for whatever reason still can count as bisexual. If they aren't wanting to, aren't trying to and never have, then they can't claim it... I think that's getting close.
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Old 01-22-2003, 07:35 PM vinnie is offline  
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That makes sense (what infix and vinnie's last posts say). But I now don't really see the point. Clearly if you don't want to be with people of both sexes, you aren't bisexual. But vinnie, weren't you saying before that it's action, not wants, that define sexuality in your opinion?

I also have a thought on the murderer thing. (Not really related, but whatever.) There's a difference between what you are morally and what the state can convict you of. I'm not talking about proof, either. Say you decide to kill someone, so you point a gun at them and pull the trigger, fully expecting them to die. But the gun misfires so the person is not shot. All the state can get you for is attempted murder, but morally, you are a murderer. This only has the slightest connection to what we're talking about here, but I see it as the difference between being attracted to people and actually sleeping with them. Something like that...
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