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Immediately, I'd say iD software--simply for the Doom series and Quake series. The only dud I've ever seen come from that development house has been Quake 3. I have faith that they'll redeem themselves with Doom 3.
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Old 03-04-2004, 07:20 PM |RaptoR| is offline  
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Immediately, I'd say iD software--simply for the Doom series and Quake series. The only dud I've ever seen come from that development house has been Quake 3. I have faith that they'll redeem themselves with Doom 3.
While I agree that iD has made a significant contribution to gaming, I hardly think that Q3 was a dud... even if the game itself wasn't as revolutionary as their earlier stuff there's been about a bazillion games produced using the game engine.
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While I agree that iD has made a significant contribution to gaming, I hardly think that Q3 was a dud... even if the game itself wasn't as revolutionary as their earlier stuff there's been about a bazillion games produced using the game engine.
I didn't even consider that aspect... I was a huge fan of Quake 2, it's still my favorite game of all time, and Quake 3 changed the formula so drastically that I could never enjoy it near the same level I enjoyed Quake 2. To me, the game sucked. But thinking about it now, it spawned Jedi Outcast (which fucking owns), and plenty of others... so, you're right
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God forbid a company that supposedly loves it's fans make a sequel to a highly popular game that all it's fans are screaming for.
If they can't, aren't ready to, or are waiting for technology to progress so they can make a game significantly better than the original, why make it? When SC is still one of the most played RTS games out there, there's no need for a sequel. All they could really do is Update the graphics and slap a new story on it. Besides, they already put out one new RTS recently. If they put out WC3 with a SC skin on it, people would be disappointed.

[quote]It's taken a 3rd party development team to come up with a new game for the StarCraft franchise(SC:Ghost) since Blizzard refuses.[quote]

Yeah. They just woke up one day and said "Let's make a Starcraft game!" and went out and did it all without Blizzard having anything to do with it.
That was something new for the Starcraft Universe. Blizzard apparently felt someone else could do it better than they could so they passed it off.

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Founders are founders, I'm sure they had some type of quality control in their positions, with them gone I am alittle bit less sure in any titles produced by Blizzard from now on.
I'm never sure of a title until it's released and I've played it. But, those founders only had any power within Blizzard North. They weren't the ones who decided to scrap that Warcraft Adventures game or whatever it was called because they didn't think it was good enough for a Blizzard game. Founders or no, the people running the company have all been well instilled with the philosophy that helped make Blizzard games so popular and know changing it would doom the company.

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WarCraft III did not impress me. It's expansion pack did not impress me. WoW does not impress me.
Yippie for you. WC3 impressed about 8 million people though. I doubt Blizzard is going to change it's mind based on you. I personally hated Diablo 1&2 and didn't find Starcraft to be better than merely average. WC3 was the best game Blizzard had put out since WC2. I don't like the style of game (hate it in fact) but I enjoyed (although I wouldn't say "liked") WC3 in spite of wanting and expecting to hate it going in. Pretty damn good in my book.

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I want my old Blizzard back.
"Old Blizzard"? What? You want them to crank out more Starcraft Expansion packs and stay in the sprite age? Or do you really just want them to not be the old Blizzard and rather than make great games for gamers, just make the games you want or cling to the fanboys and bow to their demands and pump out game after game until names like Starcraft and Diablo are met with the same laughable reverance as Ultima or Tomb Raider?
Old 03-04-2004, 11:13 PM Ecwfrk is offline  
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Old 03-04-2004, 11:15 PM Brad is offline  
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I didn't name anybody in my other post. But I'm going to have to say Ensemble. Dallas pride, yo. I've met some of the people who work there, and they all know their shit. Plus with MS backing them up without getting in their way, they can take the time to make a game right. AOE2 was great. The expansion made a lot of very welcome changes. AoM was good, but I really haven't played it enough. I have to give them props.
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Unnecessarily long Ecwfrk post.
The fact is lately Blizzard has turned into a company of artists. Not that this is a horrible thing, as they continue to pump out some of the most gorgeous CG I have ever seen, but I sometimes worry about gameplay and generally, just as not all gamers are artists, not all artists are gamers.

StarCraft: Ghost was an idea brought to Blizzard. They were hard at work with WC3 and preparing WoW when the other development team approached them for the rights to do a StarCraft based game. Blizzard had no plans on doing one. They've always said the team that would work on anything StarCraft related works on WarCraft currently.

Bill Roper was a good man, he seemed like a solid developer and always seemed to listen to his fans. To me, Roper leaving Blizzard is like Shigeru Miyamoto leaving Nintendo.

I bought WC3 expecting to love it but found it lacking overall and don't even get me started on WoW.

By Old Blizzard I meant I wanted them to balance their franchises like they used it. You had WC1, then D1, D1: Hellfire, then WC2, <insert WC2 expansion here..>, then SC, SC: Brood War, D2, D2 Lord of Destruction, WC3, WC3 Frozen Throne, and now WoW with no mention what so ever of either other franchise getting attention(PC wise and first party, Ghost doesn't count). Blizzard used to always let you know when another game for one of the other franchises would come out, just incase you didn't particularily like one of the others. I personally can't stand the WarCraft universe, but with no other titles in sight for the other franchises it seems like I'm going to be avoiding Blizzard for the coming years.
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i blame VU for part of the demise of blizzard. i still think blizzard is the best damn developer around. they know how to make games fun. i expect to get into the WoW beta shortly. i'm sure it'll be fun and its really the last hope i have for a true 2nd gen mmorpg.

if WoW fails nothing will ever be a true 2nd gen. We have yet to see a real 2nd gen mmorpg released. I dont really understand all your anger towards blizzard chaos. I often times agree with you, but this time i dont. Just cause you hate a universe doesnt mean the game sucks out right. While i'd love to see somethign fresh. I dig WC3 and the expansion.

Blizzard has never been about innovation. rather raising the bar and keeping standards high. i dont see why you have a problem with ghost either. so what if a 3rd party is making it? Blizzard is working closing with them to make sure its a quality product. They also most likely have an unannounced project(which histroy has shown as true) in development. Hopefully something completely new.

I also dont see how you get blizzard is just showing off art work. they always have had awesome CG cut scenes. this is nothing new. I dig their cutscenes and really enjoy watching them. its almost a reward for getting through the levels. they add a lot to the story and the game. So long as they are used to advance the story, more power to them. I wish more companies would spend more time on cutscenes instead of giving us half assed shitty ones that just seem thrown together as an after thought.
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there is not a single game that they have release that has sucked. They are better than every other company out there quality wise. Never have i been disappointed.

after nintendo i say Blizzard or Rare. they make extremely good stuff including Donkey Kong series and Goldeneye.
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As much as I want Starcraft 2, I am glad that blizzard isnt rushing to make it.

This is the way I see it: lets say that they decided to make starcraft 2 right now, it would almost certainly be a huge disappointment once it is released. This is because of the ungodly amount of hype that would circulate. Not only would people be pissed at blizzard for not living up to the hype but they would undoubtedly accuse bliz of turning into a money whore, thinking that the only reason blizzard made such a shitty sequel is that they knew they could make an easy buck off of it.

Now, if they wait quite a while to make SC2, hype will not be as much (it will be a lot still, but not as much) and there will also be area to make significant improvements and advancements.

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As much as I want Starcraft 2, I am glad that blizzard isnt rushing to make it.

This is the way I see it: lets say that they decided to make starcraft 2 right now, it would almost certainly be a huge disappointment once it is released. This is because of the ungodly amount of hype that would circulate. Not only would people be pissed at blizzard for not living up to the hype but they would undoubtedly accuse bliz of turning into a money whore, thinking that the only reason blizzard made such a shitty sequel is that they knew they could make an easy buck off of it.

Now, if they wait quite a while to make SC2, hype will not be as much (it will be a lot still, but not as much) and there will also be area to make significant improvements and advancements.
People are still as anxious for SC2 as they were in 98 when D2 was still in development.

That hype is not going to go away.
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Valve for me. My best gaming times are on Half Life and it's mods. It's awesome mods are in no small part due to the amazing support valve gives the mod-makers.
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I bought WC3 expecting to love it but found it lacking overall and don't even get me started on WoW.
#1 You haven't played WoW.
#2 It seems pretty obvious anything with the Blizzard name that doesn't say "Starcraft 2" will, in your opinion, suck.

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By Old Blizzard I meant I wanted them to balance their franchises like they used it.
They weren't balancing anything. They were just doing what they felt like doing. Blizzard has said numerous times that they aren't yet inteerested in making another Starcraft RTS. They've been interesting in MMORPGs and decided to make one. Which takes a hell of a lot longer to make than even a typical Blizzard game.

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with no mention what so ever of either other franchise getting attention(PC wise and first party, Ghost doesn't count).
They've said numerous times that Blizzard North is working on something. They just haven't said what that is. The Warcraft franchise has been the one they've been most passionate about lately. Probably vecause it's the most interesting, diverse, and pliable "world".

But why does every popular game have to be a franchise? What would be wrong with them ditching Diablo and/or Starcraft and working on something entirely new? Maybe Blizzard was educated by George Lucas' travesty's and have decided that they can leave it at "The End".

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Blizzard used to always let you know when another game for one of the other franchises would come out
And how much crap have they taken for that? For two years people shit on Blizzard because Warcraft 3 was "promised" to them 2 years before it finally came out.

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I personally can't stand the WarCraft universe, but with no other titles in sight for the other franchises it seems like I'm going to be avoiding Blizzard for the coming years.
The fact that they aren't making the game you want them to make doesn't make them a bad company. I hated Diablo. I didn't like Starcraft. But the fact they made those games rather than a game I'd like doesn't make Blizzard a bad company. Every one of those games were great games, they just weren't great for me.
If you don't like the games, you don't have to buy them. Not every great game is great for everyone. WoW happens to be a game that, so far as I've seen so far, might be a game I'll like. Unless something changes that, I'll buy it. And from the looks of things, I won't be anywhere near alone in that.
If they decided to make Starcraft 2, I wouldn't bitch and whine about it, I'd look it over, and if it wasn't for me, I'd skip it. But I'd be sure that for the people who are into whatever kind of game it might be, it'd probably be one of the best damn games of that type ever made. That's what has made Blizzard one of the best game companies there is.
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ID... Because they started the whole FPS thing and their engine technology has been the basis for so many games and mods.
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While I agree that iD has made a significant contribution to gaming, I hardly think that Q3 was a dud... even if the game itself wasn't as revolutionary as their earlier stuff there's been about a bazillion games produced using the game engine.
Despite my previous statement quake3 itself was an enourmous dud, the engine however was not.
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