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A hypothetical situation for all you concealed carry people

I've often wondered what the average person that CC would do in this situation.

Say you are walking down the street at night and someone walks up to you with a gun and demands your money/cell phone/watch/etc.

What would you do?

Would you attempt to draw your weapon and risk a potential escalation which might result in either of you dying? Or would you just give the robber what he asked for and let him go on his merry way?
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Neither, I would take out my wallet while acting scared, drop it because i'm so scared of said robber and when the gun isn't pointed at me i would take out my gun and in fear of my life i would shoot said robber.
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I've often wondered what the average person that CC would do in this situation.

Say you are walking down the street at night and someone walks up to you with a gun and demands your money/cell phone/watch/etc.

What would you do?

Would you attempt to draw your weapon and risk a potential escalation which might result in either of you dying? Or would you just give the robber what he asked for and let him go on his merry way?

Dude there are a lot of different variables that come into play in one of these scenarios- are there people around/people with you, how is the perp acting, are you truly afraid for your life or if it is obvious he's just looking for money, etc.

I really don't think without being in the situation at the time anyone could say how they would handle it. In the right set of circumstances shooting the guy, giving him your money, or telling him to fuck off could all make the most sense. There really isn't one answer that makes sense since there are so many factors to be considered when you are confronted with a situation like this.
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Neither, I would take out my wallet while acting scared, drop it because i'm so scared of said robber and when the gun isn't pointed at me i would take out my gun and in fear of my life i would shoot said robber.


So you would rather shoot and kill someone instead of give up your cash? Could you live with the fact that you took a human life when it probably wasn't a matter of life or death?

I mean I understand that by the robber having a gun pointed at you, your life is in danger, but I guess I just have mixed feelings about it.

And what about you guys that have an IWB holster with a shirt tucked in. Do you think you could unholster your weapon before the robber had a chance to fire at you? Especially under pressure.
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Dude there are a lot of different variables that come into play in one of these scenarios- are there people around/people with you, how is the perp acting, are you truly afraid for your life or if it is obvious he's just looking for money, etc.

I really don't think without being in the situation at the time anyone could say how they would handle it. In the right set of circumstances shooting the guy, giving him your money, or telling him to fuck off could all make the most sense. There really isn't one answer that makes sense since there are so many factors to be considered when you are confronted with a situation like this.

Very true. The reason I ask is because my good friend (who happens to CC a CZ 2075 .40) was robbed the other night. He was walking in the city from his girlfriends house back to his house at about 2am on a Tuesday night so there was pretty much no one on the street. About halfway home on a dark street a guy walked up to him and asked him for a cigarette. He gave him one and the guy said, now how about your wallet and cell phone and shoved a revolver in his face. He said he was so shocked he couldn't even think right. He ended up just giving the guy his cell phone and bolted. He drew his handgun and kept it trained on the guy running down the street to make sure he didn't turn back around.

But he said that he thought if he had even attempted to go for his weapon, he would have been shot.

So we were talking about it for a bit and debating back and forth when it would be an appropriate time to draw a weapon in that sort of situation so I was just wondering what people in A&S think they would do in a situation like that.

I know it's one of those things where you don't know how you are going to react until you are actually in a situation like that, but it's still interesting to debate hypothetical situations.

Also in my city there have been a couple of instances over the past month where college students were actually shot and wounded during attempted muggings/ robberies. And then there was an incident in July I think where a college student shot and killed an unarmed robber that was trying to rip the stereo out of his girlfriends car in the middle of the day. That guy is currently facing 2nd degree murder charges.

I'm just wondering what you guys think would be an appropriate time to escalate things and draw down on someone.
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So you would rather shoot and kill someone instead of give up your cash? Could you live with the fact that you took a human life when it probably wasn't a matter of life or death?

I mean I understand that by the robber having a gun pointed at you, your life is in danger, but I guess I just have mixed feelings about it.

And what about you guys that have an IWB holster with a shirt tucked in. Do you think you could unholster your weapon before the robber had a chance to fire at you? Especially under pressure.

Um, a gun is only supposed to be used in life or death situations, it is not a tickle toy. If someone is pointing a gun at me the only conclusion I can deduce is that they want to kill me. I have no problem taking the life of another human being in self-defense of my own. If you have mixed feelings about whether or not you could actually use your concealed weapon than you shouldn't have one.
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Very true. The reason I ask is because my good friend (who happens to CC a CZ 2075 .40) was robbed the other night. He was walking in the city from his girlfriends house back to his house at about 2am on a Tuesday night so there was pretty much no one on the street. About halfway home on a dark street a guy walked up to him and asked him for a cigarette. He gave him one and the guy said, now how about your wallet and cell phone and shoved a revolver in his face. He said he was so shocked he couldn't even think right. He ended up just giving the guy his cell phone and bolted. He drew his handgun and kept it trained on the guy running down the street to make sure he didn't turn back around.

But he said that he thought if he had even attempted to go for his weapon, he would have been shot.

So we were talking about it for a bit and debating back and forth when it would be an appropriate time to draw a weapon in that sort of situation so I was just wondering what people in A&S think they would do in a situation like that.

I know it's one of those things where you don't know how you are going to react until you are actually in a situation like that, but it's still interesting to debate hypothetical situations.

Also in my city there have been a couple of instances over the past month where college students were actually shot and wounded during attempted muggings/ robberies. And then there was an incident in July I think where a college student shot and killed an unarmed robber that was trying to rip the stereo out of his girlfriends car in the middle of the day. That guy is currently facing 2nd degree murder charges.

I'm just wondering what you guys think would be an appropriate time to escalate things and draw down on someone.
No one can say what your friend did was wrong, it doesn't mean that if someone acted differently in his situation they would be wrong either. No one knows what they are gonna do in that kind of situation until they are actually IN that situation.
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So you would rather shoot and kill someone instead of give up your cash? Could you live with the fact that you took a human life when it probably wasn't a matter of life or death?

I mean I understand that by the robber having a gun pointed at you, your life is in danger, but I guess I just have mixed feelings about it.

And what about you guys that have an IWB holster with a shirt tucked in. Do you think you could unholster your weapon before the robber had a chance to fire at you? Especially under pressure.

Sounds like you're coming from the assumption that people are essentially good? Why on earth would you think that all the mugger wanted was the money, and that just giving it up would fix the situation? People are killed all the time even when they comply with the demands of these people.

People who consider committing crimes against others need to come to the realization that using a gun or other deadly weapon escalates the situation beyond petty theft. You are threatening the other persons life in an extremely serious way and the stakes are just as much death for the criminal as for the victim.
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So you would rather shoot and kill someone instead of give up your cash? Could you live with the fact that you took a human life when it probably wasn't a matter of life or death?

I mean I understand that by the robber having a gun pointed at you, your life is in danger, but I guess I just have mixed feelings about it.

And what about you guys that have an IWB holster with a shirt tucked in. Do you think you could unholster your weapon before the robber had a chance to fire at you? Especially under pressure.

There are a variety of situations that I would take someone's life even if they did not "have a gun pointed at me".

If someone unknown to me enters my home, I am going to shoot them. I don't care, or need to know their intent.

If someone unknown to me tries to force me from my vehicle, and is visibly unarmed to me, I am going to draw my weapon and shoot them. Again, I do not need to know if they are armed. Their presence and demeanor of trying to take my vehicle from me is what justifies their death, in my state.

If someone who appears unarmed to me tries to mug me, and catches me off guard, and I genuinely feel that my life is in danger, as soon as I have the opportunity I will draw my weapon and shoot them.

If someone walks up behind me and puts a gun in my back and demands my wallet, I will remove it from my rear pocket and hand it to them, hoping they do not shoot me. Should they turn and run and I have the chance for a shot, I will attempt it. But again, my state defends my rights to do this.

You never know if the situation was a matter of life or death, until it is too late. You do not need to be in a life or death situation in many states to justify killing someone. As it stands, if I am in fear for my life and believe the attacker or thief may have the intent to cause mortal damage to me, I will do everything in my power to stop them while avoiding injury to myself.

I can live with shooting someone. And it takes me less than 0.5 seconds longer to draw, aim, and shoot pulling my weapon from a concealed location, as opposed to from my OWB holster.
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I would shoot to kill if i was in your buddies situation,but he wast ever given a chance to do so until the guy fled.By law he couldnt shoot a guy in the back who is fleeing,i still would tho and face the court issues due to it.
Im pretty much down with what Clos said,and i can live with myself if i killed them.
There comes a time we may have to pull our weapon and shoot even if we know we will be shot first.But sometimes it may be smarter to wait to pull/shoot your weapon.
I can think of tons of reason's that could alter that decision to pull or not too.
BTW your buddy had smarts enough to not shoot the guy fleeing in the back,a jury could hang his ass if his attorny sux.
What your buddy wasnt is aware of his surroundings.I would have had my hand under my shirt on the grip ready to pull and told the guy to get lost and not to approach me.The reason is a dark street late at night is no time to try and make friends.

Your buddy may want to look into some defensive pistol courses that would really help in situations like this,heck i need to take one also.Carrying a gun comes with the responsibility to get training to use it effectivly and potentially get out of many situations before they even start.
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Neither, I would take out my wallet while acting scared, drop it because i'm so scared of said robber and when the gun isn't pointed at me i would take out my gun and in fear of my life i would shoot said robber.

First thing that came to mind.

To the person who asked if you couldn't live with giving the person the money and letting them go. No, I would feel worse letting this scumbag continue to do this to other citizens who are defenseless. Classic Spiderman storyline here.

I would not, for the record, shoot someone running away. However, I also have a friend who was shot at by a guy running away from him.

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Lets get this straight, He was walking home at night...in the city....at 2 in the fucking morning, on a dark street...and assumes some other random dude who also happens to be on the same dark street at 2am is gonna have good intentions?

There's this thing called situational awareness and anyone who carries should understand this concept, for 90% of the time, it will keep you out of bad situation before you need to consider drawing your weapon.


However, if in the case of your friend where he let the mugger get the drop on him then the only option he had was to cooperate.
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First thing that came to mind.

To the person who asked if you couldn't live with giving the person the money and letting them go. No, I would feel worse letting this scumbag continue to do this to other citizens who are defenseless. Classic Spiderman storyline here.

I would not, for the record, shoot someone running away. However, I also have a friend who was shot at by a guy running away from him.

I hope he shot back and killed the asshole who was shooting at him.
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So you would rather shoot and kill someone instead of give up your cash? Could you live with the fact that you took a human life when it probably wasn't a matter of life or death?

Yes
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Lets get this straight, He was walking home at night...in the city....at 2 in the fucking morning, on a dark street...and assumes some other random dude who also happens to be on the same dark street at 2am is gonna have good intentions?

There's this thing called situational awareness and anyone who carries should understand this concept, for 90% of the time, it will keep you out of bad situation before you need to consider drawing your weapon.


However, if in the case of your friend where he let the mugger get the drop on him then the only option he had was to cooperate.

He lives within limits of a college with a 30,000+ student population. There are LOTS of people walking the streets at 2am. The only dark street he was on was the one leading to the back of his house. Sure he could have been more aware, but I chalk that up to being too comfortable with his surroundings. He's lived in the area for 5 years and this is the first time he was ever threatened. If he walked around with his hand on his weapon every time he walked down a dark street with other people on it, he'd probably have the cops called on him.

And I believe he's taken multiple defensive shooting courses as well as instruction from his girlfriends dad who is a firearms instructor and former driver for the Secret Service since the Carter Administration.

But I do see all of your points. Unfortunately we live in a state where one must make a reasonable attempt to retreat or flee when threatened before taking offensive action.

But then again on a dark street as long as you don't shoot someone in the back, who is going to argue that it wasn't a legal action.
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