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Because they're clearly going to leave heals at a point where no one can finish dungeons or raids.

Seriously, I can see complaining about PvP or the dps of a specific class, but they aren't going to gimp a role so much that no one can see the content.

My concern is how fast they're rushing, that's all. There's obviously stuff on the beta that didn't make it to the PTR. I have a feeling a lot of the paladin spell coefficients didn't make it properly to the PTR right now. My 'free' heal, word of glory hits for 2500, that HAS to be broken.
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Old 09-21-2010, 12:08 AM DigitalMocking is offline  
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what are they supposed to do? Balance everything at lvl 80 and then again at lvl 85? Try to think of this from a practical and smart perspective.

They will make sure that people can run instances at 80, and that 85 is fairly balanced.

What else do you need?

Two expansions and you just don't buy it anymore. THen don't.


But it sounds like you haven't an inkling of how complex balancing a mmo of this size/scope is.

Especially when you abandon a year's worth of work on a whim and decide to rebalance everything. There was a fairly simple equation after 3.0 hit. Shit got easier for casual guilds to do stuff they never could do before.

I don't know how the wow population will respond to things getting much harder(in some respects) with a brand new learning curve for a lot of classes when 4.0 hits. There's still time people are paying and playing between 4.0 and release of cata.
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what are they supposed to do? Balance everything at lvl 80 and then again at lvl 85? Try to think of this from a practical and smart perspective.

They will make sure that people can run instances at 80, and that 85 is fairly balanced.

What else do you need?

Two expansions and you just don't buy it anymore. THen don't.


But it sounds like you haven't an inkling of how complex balancing a mmo of this size/scope is.

All I'm saying is that their track record goes against them. As someone who really only PvPs balance issues are something that have always irked me.

You are right, I have NO clue how complex balancing a MMO is.

But it's as DM says, they're rushing it out. 4.0 could be weeks away and they are nowhere near anything close to balance.

Maybe I am acting like a 3 year old about to have his lolly taken away... but then again I don't pay 15 bucks a month for my lollys.
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My concern is how fast they're rushing, that's all. There's obviously stuff on the beta that didn't make it to the PTR. I have a feeling a lot of the paladin spell coefficients didn't make it properly to the PTR right now. My 'free' heal, word of glory hits for 2500, that HAS to be broken.

it is. On beta mine was hitting for ~10k
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I guess I won't be able to make the lv 85 4337 spell power version any time soon

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Mobile guild chat is being added to the mobile armory.

that's... insane.


Oh and this is what I'm grinding on through expansion I've decided..pretty much fresh off of the Kara/TK boat.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...era&cn=Bbybatr

Melee was fun for a while, did the warrior thing for quite a while, revisited rogues, did the enhance thing, I'm definitely more at home as a pure caster. And demo is mega fucking faceroll.
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4.0... paladins are getting a complete rewrite, ret takes skill again..

Orgrimmar is going to be on fire by the end of next week.

10 and 25 raid lockouts will share ID's, get the same loot...

310% mount speed for 5k, and flight in Azeroth for 250g.

Shadowmourne will be bested by a drop from an 83 instance.

Severe class imbalances, chaos, excitement, drama...
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4.0... paladins are getting a complete rewrite

I can't imagine WoW 2. They can't even keep one class straight. I don't really blame them for switching to fresh IP at this point. They're just throwing in the towel on balancing this one
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Ret was broken. If you don't see eye to eye with us on that, then it's understandable why the degree of change might be surprising to you. We tried to advertise that change was coming for a long time because we didn't want anyone to be surprised when it happened. Many players, including many Ret players, were just not happy with the mechanics of the spec in Lich King. I can understand if you just happened to love your character the way he or she was, but unfortunately, that doesn't give us much room to maneuver in attempting to implement a design that we will be happy with, and ultimately many players (though it will never be all) will be as well. -Ghostcrawler
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I can't imagine WoW 2. They can't even keep one class straight. I don't really blame them for switching to fresh IP at this point. They're just throwing in the towel on balancing this one

it was never supposed to be wow2.


and about your last point, have you raided patchwerk 4.0 with 24 competent other players all doing their jobs?

No you have not, so what do you know about balance?
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it was never supposed to be wow2.

I wasn't calling 4.0 wow2. I think you misunderstood my comment, which was referring to the general wow community's fickleness about classes and "balance."

WOTLK and Cata aren't just content--they're trial and error of concepts and mechanics. By continually changing things (at times much to the uneasiness and dismay of the community) they're learning what works and what doesn't. Its incredible R&D done at an absolutely massive scale. They'll keep wow alive and kicking so long as there are people having fun, but its pretty clear they're just plain experimenting with some key elements at each major version increment, as opposed to just trying to balance. This isn't entirely a "bad thing" as it keeps things .. interesting .. and it shuffles a lot of players around between classes and keeps people happy, or rather unhappy but then happy again, rather than letting things get stale.

I expect their experiences thus far will make for a pretty awesome new MMO that feels amazing right out of the gate.
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I meant the new mmo they are working on

Oh, it really sounded like you were whining, but you do have a good grasp on how mmo evolution/balancing works ^^

Yes they have faltered a couple of times, but they've also come with some strokes of pure genius, despite everyone's screams when they first said what was coming. Like axing 40man raids. Everyone and their mother was whining like hell, top guilds were handing in their resignations etc, but was that change not fucking uber?

It was.

And in wotlk, letting 10ppl experience the same content. AWESOME
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I meant the new mmo they are working on

Oh, it really sounded like you were whining, but you do have a good grasp on how mmo evolution/balancing works ^^

Yes they have faltered a couple of times, but they've also come with some strokes of pure genius, despite everyone's screams when they first said what was coming. Like axing 40man raids. Everyone and their mother was whining like hell, top guilds were handing in their resignations etc, but was that change not fucking uber?

It was.

And in wotlk, letting 10ppl experience the same content. AWESOME

I couldn't be happier with the 10/25 man change to be honest. I can't count the number of times you just *HAD* to take one, two or more morons with you to a 25 man because you 1) needed their buff, 2) didn't have another great player to sub in for them.

Shitload easier to find 9 other great players than 24.
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