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oh those poor 1% paying 42% of the taxes.they also take home 42% of all the wealth which is why they pay 42% of the taxes. 90% of all new wealth since like 1980 has flowed to the top 1%. meanwhile everyone below the top 25% or so has watched their salaries barely keep up with inflation even though worker productivity has increased 160% since 1980. If you hear a rich guy complaining about taxes you should punch him in the fucking mouth.

fucking whiny bitches. they have all the fucking money and they still bitch and moan. here's a bit of fucking history for you, during times of war the top tax bracket has historically been as much as triple what it is now. lets go back to that and then you greedy fucks can complain all you fucking want.

that 47% of the country that doesn't pay taxes are students, retirees on social security and people who make less than 20K a year. if you think you are going to get more taxes out of them, you're a fucking retard.

Not everyone wants a trophy, they just want to earn a fucking living wage and not be stuck trying to pay off their 100k in college debt with a part time minimum wage job at walmart where they can't even get full time benefits because they are perpetually kept at 39 hours, as is the new norm.

corolla is fucking wrong and stupid on this issue. when corolla "pulled himself up by his bootstraps" college was practically free. you could pay for college with a part time summer job flipping fucking burgers. Also, there were still fucking jobs to be had.
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One person satisfied some rich cocksucker's guilty conscience by giving them an opportunity to be sponsored into Harvard, or it's some sick bet being settled by the Admissions staff. I may have been FUBAR from all that's happened, but somewhere I lost the belief that people want to do good. It's such a rare occurrence now. How many other kids with her ability and similar situation didn't get selected to go to Harvard? Why are they lost to opportunity?
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oh those poor 1% paying 42% of the taxes.they also take home 42% of all the wealth which is why they pay 42% of the taxes. 90% of all new wealth since like 1980 has flowed to the top 1%. meanwhile everyone below the top 25% or so has watched their salaries barely keep up with inflation even though worker productivity has increased 160% since 1980. If you hear a rich guy complaining about taxes you should punch him in the fucking mouth.

fucking whiny bitches. they have all the fucking money and they still bitch and moan. here's a bit of fucking history for you, during times of war the top tax bracket has historically been as much as triple what it is now. lets go back to that and then you greedy fucks can complain all you fucking want.

that 47% of the country that doesn't pay taxes are students, retirees on social security and people who make less than 20K a year. if you think you are going to get more taxes out of them, you're a fucking retard.

Not everyone wants a trophy, they just want to earn a fucking living wage and not be stuck trying to pay off their 100k in college debt with a part time minimum wage job at walmart where they can't even get full time benefits because they are perpetually kept at 39 hours as is the new norm.

corolla is fucking wrong and stupid on this issue. when corolla "pulled himself up by his bootstraps" college was practically free. you could pay for college with a part time summer job flipping fucking burgers. Also, there were still fucking jobs to be had.

This expounds upon my caveat. Thank you.
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oh those poor 1% paying 42% of the taxes.they also take home 42% of all the wealth which is why they pay 42% of the taxes. 90% of all new wealth since like 1980 has flowed to the top 1%. meanwhile everyone below the top 25% or so has watched their salaries barely keep up with inflation even though worker productivity has increased 160% since 1980. If you hear a rich guy complaining about taxes you should punch him in the fucking mouth.

fucking whiny bitches. they have all the fucking money and they still bitch and moan. here's a bit of fucking history for you, during times of war the top tax bracket has historically been as much as triple what it is now. lets go back to that and then you greedy fucks can complain all you fucking want.

that 47% of the country that doesn't pay taxes are students, retirees on social security and people who make less than 20K a year. if you think you are going to get more taxes out of them, you're a fucking retard.

Not everyone wants a trophy, they just want to earn a fucking living wage and not be stuck trying to pay off their 100k in college debt with a part time minimum wage job at walmart where they can't even get full time benefits because they are perpetually kept at 39 hours, as is the new norm.

corolla is fucking wrong and stupid on this issue. when corolla "pulled himself up by his bootstraps" college was practically free. you could pay for college with a part time summer job flipping fucking burgers. Also, there were still fucking jobs to be had.

Awwww is someone butt-hurt that a celebrity is a cock sucking socialist too like most of the others? You butt-hurt that he is completely right? Notice how your post you had no argument against him other than YEAAAA, WELL, THEY ALSO MAKE A LOT TOO!!
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By the way, how many of you are fleeing to canada this time if romney wins?
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Awwww is someone butt-hurt that a celebrity is a cock sucking socialist too like most of the others? You butt-hurt that he is completely right? Notice how your post you had no argument against him other than YEAAAA, WELL, THEY ALSO MAKE A LOT TOO!!

Do you not understand the correlation between income and taxes? If we made the tax rate a flat 1% tax on everyone, the wealthiest people would still pay the majority of the taxes because the amount they pay in taxes is directly related to how much they earn.

Lets say you have ten people and a hundred dollars and you want to distribute that like wealth is distributed in our country. The fist guy, he gets $83. He represents the top ten percent. The next guy gets $10. He represents the next ten percent. Then the remaining 8 people get to fight it out over the last $7. They represent the bottom 80% of the nation.

Now in our little game we have a flat 10% tax rate so the guy who gets $83 has to pay $8.30 back. The next guy has to pay a dollar and the other 8 people combined have to pay $0.70.

Republicans look at that situation and say, why does the guy who took home the $83 have to pay so much more than everyone else. That's not fair. We should let him keep more of his money and make those lazy bums pay more.

Everyone else looks at that and asks, why does the one guy need so much more than everyone else? If he took $10 from his income and paid it to the bottom 80% instead of taking it for himself, he would still be seven times wealthier than anyone else but the pay for the bottom 80% would more than double and so would the revenue from their taxes.

But I guess that is crazy commie socialist talk and I should just shut up and accept our gradual slide back to feudalism. Concentrating all the wealth in the hands of the few is totally good for society, good for the economy and good for you. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
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yeah I don't agree with concentrating the wealth to a few individuals either, but I don't think you should just take other people's legally earned money and give it to others. They should work for it. No work, no money. (Obviously exceptions for true medical issues, etc).

Look, what's your solution? I mean I hear you and the others going "republitards lol", so OK, fine, they are. What's your solution to having jobs available to those willing to work them, and how to deal with those that don't want to work but want the rich guy's money cause "he got too much" ?
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By the way, how many of you are fleeing to canada this time if romney wins?

If it weren't for all of the exit taxes, I'm getting closer to not feeling too bad about leaving this place...Problem is, there's really no other place that's a panacea on this planet, really.

I'd love to build a fucking machine that would be able to send all the GOP/Tea Tards to an alternate earth, which I imagine would not have made it out of a 1950's McCarthy Red Scare Americana era. Good fucking riddance.
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If it weren't for all of the exit taxes, I'm getting closer to not feeling too bad about leaving this place...Problem is, there's really no other place that's a panacea on this planet, really.

I'd love to build a fucking machine that would be able to send all the GOP/Tea Tards to an alternate earth, which I imagine would not have made it out of a 1950's McCarthy Red Scare Americana era. Good fucking riddance.

yeah except that'd be like getting rid of all the spiders. Then the insects would take the earth.

Same thing with getting rid of all the libtards.

If you're going to do it, do it right. Send the tards on both sides away, or better yet give them Thunderdome and make a youtube channel of it.
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By the way, how many of you are fleeing to canada this time if romney wins?

my mom's been threatening that for years
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yeah I don't agree with concentrating the wealth to a few individuals either, but I don't think you should just take other people's legally earned money and give it to others. They should work for it. No work, no money. (Obviously exceptions for true medical issues, etc).

Look, what's your solution? I mean I hear you and the others going "republitards lol", so OK, fine, they are. What's your solution to having jobs available to those willing to work them, and how to deal with those that don't want to work but want the rich guy's money cause "he got too much" ?

The myth that the poor don't work is just that, a myth.

Current economic crisis notwithstanding, most people do work for a living; but when the wealthy systematically dismantle a system that more evenly spreads the wealth in order to enrich themselves and their buddies, it turns out that the people left behind (the poor and middle class) cannot provide for themselves no matter how hard they work. Most people in the United States work harder than anyone else in the industrialized world -- there's no guaranteed maternity leave, no guaranteed vacation time, no guaranteed healthcare, etc-- yet they have absolutely nothing to show for it, except for skyrocketing wealth overwhelmingly distributed upwards. Moreover, when rich people fuck up the economy--and they always do--it's the poor and middle class who suffer. What, then, do you suggest we do to support people who work multiple jobs for a laughable minimum wage, don't work full time because corporations don't want to give them benefits, can't afford quality health care (this applies to the middle class as well), can't afford to take a vacation, can't afford to live in a nice neighborhood with good schools, can't afford to get a post-secondary education without racking up massive debt, and so on? Either we keep the status quo, or we redistribute some wealth back to the people who both deserve it and need it. We shouldn't even consider redistribution as "taking" money from the wealthy, because it wasn't the wealthy who generated it in the first place.

We are the wealthiest nation on earth, and we can't provide for our own people because some greedy titans of industry have convinced millions of others that "bootstraps!" is a legitimate pathway to success, even when everything points to the contrary.
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yeah I don't agree with concentrating the wealth to a few individuals either, but I don't think you should just take other people's legally earned money and give it to others. They should work for it. No work, no money. (Obviously exceptions for true medical issues, etc).

Look, what's your solution? I mean I hear you and the others going "republitards lol", so OK, fine, they are. What's your solution to having jobs available to those willing to work them, and how to deal with those that don't want to work but want the rich guy's money cause "he got too much" ?

No one is talking about just taking the rich mans money and giving it to someone else and I think the percentage of the population that thinks they are entitled to just sit on their ass a live off of someone elses money is very low as well. I believe in progressive taxation and I think, especially in times like these, the government should use its resources to put people to work, even if that means deficit spending, because the government is the only entity capable of doing that.

Right now corporate profits are at record high levels as measured as a percentage of GDP and tax revenue is at historical lows as measured as a percentage of GDP. Corporations are sitting on trillions in cash but because demand is down they are downsizing to maintain profits. That doesn't help improve the economy or the jobs market and that doesn't create demand. All that does is improve their bottom line and that is all we should expect them to do because that is what they exist to do. The government, on the other hand, is not a corporation or your family household.

The government can take on additional debt to help jump start the economy as we already did with the short lived stimulus. If we don't improve the economy and get revenues back up then shit is going to get really real here real soon and we are going to have to make serious cuts and raise taxes just to try and pay our national bills with a stalled and stagnant economy. We still need to cut spending and raise revenues but I think without any stimulus to help the economy we are looking at bigger cuts and taxes that will really hurt.

Yes, we are already deficit spending. But, as I have tried explaining to you guys multiple times now, those are ongoing deficits from the bush era wars and tax cuts and have nothing to do with new spending enacted by Obama. Obama's only major spending was the one time cost of the stimulus.

Personally I believe we need another round of stimulus. And I really try not to go "hurr durr republicans are all stupid", I try to make my case with facts and reason and I don't think we need to be so divisive or partisan. That keeps us from realizing that our positions are not as far apart as we think they are.

Somehow the difference between good patriotic capitalism and socialist marxist communism has been reduced to a 3% difference in the top marginal income tax rate...

ridiculous partisanship like that is not going to help us solve our pressing national problems.
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