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Why do they lie? So much and so blatantly?
because they do it year in and year out and no one with any power ever calls them on it. That's why it is so important to educate the masses to their shenanigans.

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Prohibition did work. Alcohol consumption was reduced by almost 60% and incidents of liver cirrhosis and deaths from this disease dropped dramatically
Yeah, for like a year and then the illegal alcohol rolled in and alcohol consumption eventually went back up allong with all the problems prohibition brought with it.

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National prohibition of alcohol (1920-33)--the "noble experiment"--was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. The results of that experiment clearly indicate that it was a miserable failure on all counts. The evidence affirms sound economic theory, which predicts that prohibition of mutually beneficial exchanges is doomed to failure.

The lessons of Prohibition remain important today. They apply not only to the debate over the war on drugs but also to the mounting efforts to drastically reduce access to alcohol and tobacco and to such issues as censorship and bans on insider trading, abortion, and gambling.[1]

Although consumption of alcohol fell at the beginning of Prohibition, it subsequently increased. Alcohol became more dangerous to consume; crime increased and became "organized"; the court and prison systems were stretched to the breaking point; and corruption of public officials was rampant. No measurable gains were made in productivity or reduced absenteeism. Prohibition removed a significant source of tax revenue and greatly increased government spending. It led many drinkers to switch to opium, marijuana, patent medicines, cocaine, and other dangerous substances that they would have been unlikely to encounter in the absence of Prohibition. Those results are documented from a variety of sources, most of which, ironically, are the work of supporters of Prohibition--most economists and social scientists supported it. Their findings make the case against Prohibition that much stronger.[2]
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html

for more reading see one of my favorite resources, druglibrary: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...es/nc/nc2a.htm

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Yay for continued sticky.
I feel like this needs to be up here until everyone in the world fucking reads it.
Legalization is not a dream. I've convinced ordinary people with this thread and the things in it.
And I'm doing it for fucking society, for our health, safety, our fucking sanity, our families and our fucking taxpayer dollars.

Jesus christ.
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Yay for continued sticky.
I feel like this needs to be up here until everyone in the world fucking reads it.
Legalization is not a dream. I've convinced ordinary people with this thread and the things in it.
And I'm doing it for fucking society, for our health, safety, our fucking sanity, our families and our fucking taxpayer dollars.

Jesus christ.

I just do it for personal freedoms.

It's ridiculous that a handful of people can tell you how you must live your life.
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No one NEEDS to smoke marijuana, good enough reason to not legalize it. I'm up for outlawing cigarettes and booze, myself. Because all they do is kill.

i could almost agree with this, but if this happened, I would leave this country (and I don't smoke or drink). Although all they do is kill, it is our right as americans to destroy our bodies with these substances.

I don't understand why pot isn't decriminalized in the US and most places, much better alternative to alcohol.
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i could almost agree with this, but if this happened, I would leave this country (and I don't smoke or drink). Although all they do is kill, it is our right as americans to destroy our bodies with these substances.

I don't understand why pot isn't decriminalized in the US and most places, much better alternative to alcohol.

I'd like to criminalize guns.
Guns are a fuckton more dangerous than any drug.
I mean, you can't throw drugs at people and kill them.

But.
I live in america, we have the 2nd amendment, and its precident...
and I have to admit that people are the ones who kill one another, not guns.
and I want my drug freedom. So I feel that one freedom has to warrent another...
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I think it might be worth it just so potheads would stop bitching all the time.
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I think it might be worth it just so potheads would stop bitching all the time.

all work and no weed make a good man go crazy and kill people
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I think it might be worth it just so potheads would stop bitching all the time.

It would be more worth it so the government didn't spend billions of dollars on anti-marijuana campaigns and wasting police forces' time and money to catch smokers.
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I would like to get some feedback on the arguement of "tobacco and alcohol are drugs that can be done in moderation and don't fuck you up, weed can't be done in moderation which is why it should be illegal"

and also the arguement of "is the initial extreme spike of weed usage over 2-5 years worth the eventual decline of it's usage?"
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and also the arguement of "is the initial extreme spike of weed usage over 2-5 years worth the eventual decline of it's usage?"
This makes absolutely no sense... Would you like to explain those poorly-worded arguments before requesting feedback on them?
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I would like to get some feedback on the arguement of "tobacco and alcohol are drugs that can be done in moderation and don't fuck you up, weed can't be done in moderation which is why it should be illegal"




http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/druguse.htm

The numbers speak for themselves.

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and also the arguement of "is the initial extreme spike of weed usage over 2-5 years worth the eventual decline of it's usage?"
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm

I would say I don't think that spike will be too big because most of the people who want to smoke weed are doing so now (third most used drug worldwide) and yes again because we are not really worried about use per-se, it's problems associated with use that we are worried about. Marijuana doesn't cause that many problems, certainly not as many as alcohol and tobacco, and those it does cause are easily manageable. The money we don't spend locking people up can go towards effective treatment for those with problems.
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I've never witnessed so much ownage on any debate subject as this. Got to say thank you to Pyramid for countering even the stupidest of posts. While it may be obvious to some of us that these assumptions are rediculous, we've got to realize that they whole heartedly believe in them and they represent most of America, so it's nothing to scoff at. I think the key to ownage in other subjects may be to pick apart the horribly uninformed posts that fill the pit, they represent the majority and get ignored through the threads.
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this needs to be stickied because marijuana criminilization is the single greatest policy failure of our time.

however, there are essentially only two reasons that are important when considering whether marijuana should be legal:

1. it's my fucking body and i can do whatever i want to it so long as it doesn't harm anyone else (mill's harm principle).

2. pragmatically, legalization does less overall harm than criminalization.
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