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I can't say I know american domestic politics all that well, but in the original video it's almost fucking surreal... I mean when Ron Paul and Rudy get in the pissing match. Rudy makes an ass of himself and people cheer


I recall Rudy asked for an apology specifically because Ron suggested that the US bombing Iraq was part of the reason for 9/11. Giuliani is correct---bombing iraq probably had ZERO to due with 9/11.

Rudy didn't ask for an apology regarding Paul's comment about troops in Saudi Arabia
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Old 06-06-2007, 02:58 PM ManSandwichMayo is offline  
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Good: Realises that Americas actions have consequences, and that if you treat people like animals they will act like animals.

Bad: Aboloshing healthcare for the poor. I mean, Jesus tittyfucking Christ, what planet is this guy on? Does he think its bad form to piss off muslims in the middle east with idiotic policies, but its OK to do so to the millions of poverty stricken americans (who, by the way, have a much shorter distance to transport their bombs).
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Ron Paul has definitely got my vote

Anybody see on Fox News where they blamed his 2nd place poll win on internet pranksters?

lol, Hannity suggested that RP somehow rigged the text message voting.

Did you guys see the CNN results from the last debate? They are even more in favor of Ron Paul:

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Bad: Aboloshing healthcare for the poor. I mean, Jesus tittyfucking Christ, what planet is this guy on? Does he think its bad form to piss off muslims in the middle east with idiotic policies, but its OK to do so to the millions of poverty stricken americans (who, by the way, have a much shorter distance to transport their bombs).
Abolish?...How, exactly, would Ron Paul "Abolish" health care?
Old 06-06-2007, 03:28 PM Themacabre is offline  
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Abolish?...How, exactly, would Ron Paul "Abolish" health care?

Read past the first three words retard. I said abolish healthcare for the poor.

Bah, why should I care, I've got the NHS . Screw poor americans who won't be able to get hip replacements when they're older.
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I recall Rudy asked for an apology specifically because Ron suggested that the US bombing Iraq was part of the reason for 9/11. Giuliani is correct---bombing iraq probably had ZERO to due with 9/11.

Rudy didn't ask for an apology regarding Paul's comment about troops in Saudi Arabia
The bombing and sanctions against Iraq since '91 were mentioned specifically by Bin Laden /Al Qaeda as part of their grievances against us. The sanctions alone are blamed for killing over a million people in Iraq.

What Rudy was trying to do was spin Ron Paul's explanation of blowback due to our policies and actions in the middle east into another stupid 9/11 conspiracy theory. Unfortunately for Rudy, history and our intelligence agencies agree with Ron. Ron probably could have worded it a little better but for being put on the spot he did a pretty good job. Also, I think he handled himself pretty well when the rest of the panel went after him led by Rudy.


edit: and I'm not in favor of all RP's positions but it's nice to see a real republican who actually reflects real republican values. He's definitely my favorite candidate from that side of the isle so far.
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Read past the first three words retard. I said abolish healthcare for the poor.

Bah, why should I care, I've got the NHS . Screw poor americans who won't be able to get hip replacements when they're older.
Let's try this again.

Abolish?...How, exactly, would Ron Paul "Abolish" health care for the poor?
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Bad: Aboloshing healthcare for the poor. I mean, Jesus tittyfucking Christ, what planet is this guy on? Does he think its bad form to piss off muslims in the middle east with idiotic policies, but its OK to do so to the millions of poverty stricken americans (who, by the way, have a much shorter distance to transport their bombs).
If you're talking about the general libertarian principles of ending things like social services, remember it isn't the same thing as saying poor people don't deserve help getting healthcare. It is just the the government isn't the best way to provide it. When you make the government do it you create wasteful inefficiency, the cost goes up, the return goes down. The free market as it were would be a much more effcient way to help people who need assistance with health care do so.
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Old 06-06-2007, 04:26 PM Soybomb is offline  
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If you're talking about the general libertarian principles of ending things like social services, remember it isn't the same thing as saying poor people don't deserve help getting healthcare. It is just the the government isn't the best way to provide it. When you make the government do it you create wasteful inefficiency, the cost goes up, the return goes down. The free market as it were would be a much more effcient way to help people who need assistance with health care do so.

Yeah yeah yeah, trickle down, supply and demand, government is inefficient, blah blah...

Everybody gives corporations too much credit. Humans aren't their priority, their stalkholders are. The proof is america having the worst health care for a first world nation and many european countries with its socialized health care being the best.
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The controversy surrounding remarks by talk show host Don Imus shows that the nation remains incredibly sensitive about matters of race, despite the outward progress of the last 40 years. A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The young women on the basketball team Mr. Imus insulted are over 18 and can speak for themselves. Itís disconcerting to see third parties become involved and presume to speak collectively for minority groups. It is precisely this collectivist mindset that is at the heart of racism.

Itís also disconcerting to hear the subtle or not-so-subtle threats against free speech. Since the FCC regulates airwaves and grants broadcast licenses, weíre told itís proper for government to forbid certain kinds of insulting or offensive speech in the name of racial and social tolerance. Never mind the 1st Amendment, which states unequivocally that, ďCongress shall make NO law.Ē

Letís be perfectly clear: the federal government has no business regulating speech in any way. Furthermore, government as an institution is particularly ill suited to combating bigotry in our society. Bigotry at its essence is a sin of the heart, and we canít change peopleís hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

In fact it is the federal government more than anything else that divides us along race, class, religion, and gender lines. Government, through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails in our society. This government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill between men by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility between us.

The political left argues that stringent federal laws are needed to combat racism, even as they advocate incredibly divisive collectivist policies.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty
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Yeah yeah yeah, trickle down, supply and demand, government is inefficient, blah blah...

Everybody gives corporations too much credit. Humans aren't their priority, their stalkholders are. The proof is america having the worst health care for a first world nation and many european countries with its socialized health care being the best.
Yeah yeah yeah corporate hate, the man, big business, whine whine whine. What does a private charity giving money to those in need of health care assistance instead of the government have to do with corporations? I'd love to see some competition for the money that is currrently forcibly taken from me to provide health care for others. The government can spend it as inefficently as it wants and just take more or do less with it. A private charity would need to get things done and compete for the effective of the money or lose it.
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I'm disappointed in the daily show tonight, they're lumping in paul with the rest of idiots from the debate
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I'm disappointed in the daily show tonight, they're lumping in paul with the rest of idiots from the debate

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