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It depends on the series--Australian Supercars require certain significant changes to the unibody, for instance. And I watched the vid, both in glorious 58" plasma goodness, and in 8" iPad mehness. And tho the cars had roll cages and subframes and such, the actual unibody was not altered from the factory dimensions. in fact, they were taking production line cars to do the job--how stock is that, oh Master and Commander of all things ?

1:04 - "They widen the back end slightly to accommodate..."

So, you may have watched it twice, but you apparently weren't paying attention. Par for the Tex course.
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back in the day when E30s raced or the MINI first got famous, rally racing was 2wd. Now everything is 4x4 even if it came as FWD from the factory. It's just retarded.

And no it wouldn't be "boring" - if that was the case then rally racing wouldn't have gotten popular in the first place. NOW it's boring. Each car is identical and totally separated from reality.
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1:04 - "They widen the back end slightly to accommodate..."

So, you may have watched it twice, but you apparently weren't paying attention. Par for the Tex course.

They may have widened the body panels, but they didn't widen the unibody--I saw no evidence of that.

But, since Your Hineyness has said I'm wrong, I guess I need to bow to the greatness of His Lord and Master [M]ore[S]hit, he whose very intellect is infallible and unquestionable, he who shall smite all with his immense and glorious mind, the sublimity of which us mere ignorant worthless mud-grubbing rubes cannot fathom, and we should just roll over and beg for His Awesomness to kick us in the face with his exceptional insights.

You and gibbonius need to get a room, maybe you two can produce a baby with the forces of your minds. It would be a spectacular being, exceeding even your god-like amazingness.

Fucking arrogant academic.
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back in the day when E30s raced or the MINI first got famous, rally racing was 2wd. Now everything is 4x4 even if it came as FWD from the factory. It's just retarded.

And no it wouldn't be "boring" - if that was the case then rally racing wouldn't have gotten popular in the first place. NOW it's boring. Each car is identical and totally separated from reality.

Rally overseas is still exceptionally popular; and there are many more classes than what we see on TV, because broadcasters tend to not show them, thinking they suck like you do. But that couldn't be further from the truth, they fans over there love those lower ranks as much as the big guys. And the lower ranks include mildly-modified (mostly for safety) road cars.
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They may have widened the body panels, but they didn't widen the unibody--I saw no evidence of that.

But, since Your Hineynessnhas said I'm wrong, I guess I need to bow to the greatness of His Lord and Master [M]ore[S]hit, he whose very intellect is infallible and unquestionable, he who shall smite all with his immense and glorious mind, the sublimity of which us mere ignorant worthless mud-grubbing rubes cannot fathom, and we should just roll over and beg for His Awesomness to kick us in the face with his exceptional insights.

You and gibbonius need to get a room, maybe you two can produce a baby with the forces of your minds. It would be a spectacular being, exceeding even your god-like amazingness.

Fucking arrogant academic.

This. I know not the same car but a 4wd escape rear end with differential will bolt right up to a focus and all you have to do is widen the wheel wells to accommodate the different suspension geometry.
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They may have widened the body panels, but they didn't widen the unibody--I saw no evidence of that.

But, since Your Hineyness has said I'm wrong, I guess I need to bow to the greatness of His Lord and Master [M]ore[S]hit, he whose very intellect is infallible and unquestionable, he who shall smite all with his immense and glorious mind, the sublimity of which us mere ignorant worthless mud-grubbing rubes cannot fathom, and we should just roll over and beg for His Awesomness to kick us in the face with his exceptional insights.

You and gibbonius need to get a room, maybe you two can produce a baby with the forces of your minds. It would be a spectacular being, exceeding even your god-like amazingness.

Fucking arrogant academic.

Can't defend your position, so you'll stoop to calling me names instead. Super classy.

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Can't defend your position, so you'll stoop to calling me names instead. Super classy.


Actually, I did defend my position, and I thought quite well; and the other backed me up.

The rest was just fun, I get a kick watching "academics" get so mad their heads explode. It's even more fun to show how fallible they really are.
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Actually, I did defend my position, and I thought quite well; and the other backed me up.

The rest was just fun, I get a kick watching "academics" get so mad their heads explode. It's even more fun to show how fallible they really are.

You widen the body work, the unibody has to support it. Hence: modification to the unibody.

Not rocket surgery there, son.
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You widen the body work, the unibody has to support it. Hence: modification to the unibody.

Not rocket surgery there, son.

No problem, DAD.

Like rancidpunk said, bolting in the AWD from an escape into a focus means widening the fenders, not the chassis. Since the body panels aren't stressed members, they aren't counted as unibody modification. Hell, in the vid, they used plastic fender flares.
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No problem, DAD.

Like rancidpunk said, bolting in the AWD from an escape into a focus means widening the fenders, not the chassis. Since the body panels aren't stressed members, they aren't counted as unibody modification. Hell, in the vid, they used plastic fender flares.

Because that's exactly what they're doing right there - bolting the rear diff from an escape under a focus...

...except that's a Fiesta, and that is definitely not the rear axle out of an escape.
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Because that's exactly what they're doing right there - bolting the rear diff from an escape under a focus...

...except that's a Fiesta, and that is definitely not the rear axle out of an escape.

Because swapping twin turbos on to a rwd v8 muscle car requires modification to the unibody by cutting a notch in the firewall
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Historic world rally cars... say, like stuff from the 70s? Like the Escorts and Asconias, that had the body shell heavily stitch welded, all new rear suspension, and at least in the case of the Escort, an engine that never appeared in any production car? Or the Stratos, designed from scratch as a rally car?

You know what happened when the top levels of WRC developed heavy restrictions on what you could do to the base car (IE the Group A days) and one manufacturer couldn't keep up because the other cars were superior? They threw a lot of engineering resources into cheating, got caught, and got kicked out of the sport for a year. Not too long after that, the FIA said to hell with Group A and allowed what they called the World Rally Car regulations, which was a lot more open what you could modify, because it had got to where none of the manufacturers really wanted to have to keep making stuff for street use; it was too expensive for what they got out of it.

Nowadays, here's what would happen if you required an actually stock car to go race at a top tier motorsport. Everyone would look at what they'd be racing against, and if the cars would be reliable enough. Whoever had the most suitable car would consider entering because they might win, nobody else would because they probably wouldn't, because it's not like there's any fucking secrets about production cars. In the end whoever had the most suitable car probably wouldn't bother either because every time something broke their PR people would be bitching about perceptions of unreliability. There's no fucking sponsorship money in racing since the cigarette advertising ban, and the only way the manufacturers can justify it is if they look at it as PR. Instead they'd all just throw cash at Super Bowl commercials or something.

It's not like any of these things are goddamn new ideas. "Oh, let's try racing things closer to stock cars" Well hey, guess what, it's been tried a couple times, and at any professional level (not club racing where people are paying to drive, professional level where there's money being thrown around) it doesn't work out.
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Because that's exactly what they're doing right there - bolting the rear diff from an escape under a focus...

...except that's a Fiesta, and that is definitely not the rear axle out of an escape.

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And of course it's not out of an escape;but it is using the stock hardpoints for a rear drive unit.
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Group B.

aka, "Killer B's"

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You seem to forget, still, that there are other rally clases, that aren't the ones we see on tv all the time.
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aka, "Killer B's"

You seem to forget, still, that there are other rally clases, that aren't the ones we see on tv all the time.

I don't remember mentioning Group B there, though I do love the cars from it. Regardless though, there's all sorts of stuff that works in non-premier classes, because there isn't the money going into them in order to find the flaws, and because the drivers aren't as good, which will usually more than make up for differences between cars. In FIA rally, there's some extent of the manufacturers agreeing to a common spec these days. A little bit ago historically when Group N was sort of the premier step-below-WRC, which is 4wd cars fairly closely derived from production (strengthened, new suspension components, new gearbox innards and diffs, but all of those had to have the part numbers agreed to by the FIA) it basically turned into Spec Evo - one manufacturer's car was either cheaper to get to a given level of performance or capable of having a higher level for equivalent money, so their competitors kind of withered. This may be changing; FIA is toying with the lower classes too to try to have less of that sort of thing.
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